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« on: October 29, 2009, 08:53:35 am »

We are experienced with Importing from the USA, but none of the cars that we have brought in so far have had Air Conditioning.

I do recall reading a bit about the requirements - but cannot find the info.

We are negotiating the purchase of a 69 coupe that has Air. Can anybody advise of the requirements for this?

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 09:46:47 am »
Air con must be drained of gas and CFC compliance report to that effect issued by Dept of the Environment, Water, Heritage and the Arts must accompany vehicle to Aus. You get the form and fax to seller.

Goto http//www.dotars.gov.au/transreg/vsb/airconditioner warning doc.

If that kink does not work cause I typed it in from a document just go in through DOTARS, you should be able to locate it.
Hope this helps.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 10:49:02 am »
OOPs freudian slip there I meant Link not  Kink.  Honest I did.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 09:18:18 pm »
Interesting point here Phoenix. I would have thought that you only needed approval if the system was still charged. I did look at the link and it looks like it may have changed changed (couldn't get it to work).
I stumbled though the web and found this link also.:compute:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/importing_vehicles/general/Airconditioner.aspx
From what I was told and understand if the system is not charged and inoperable there is nothing required to be done. ;w
If anyone know more please comment.

Below are some sections from the environment website and everything talks about charged systems.

The import, export and manufacture of these 'controlled substances', and the import and manufacture of certain products containing or designed to contain some of these substances, is prohibited in Australia unless the correct licence or exemption is held. The Act also prohibits the import and manufacture of products that contain or rely upon chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), including foams blown with CFCs.

A licence is required to import, export or manufacture ODSs and SGGs and to import refrigeration and air conditioning equipment containing an HFC or HCFC refrigerant. Licence holders must comply with reporting and other obligations under the Act and its Regulations.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 06:07:30 am »
FRom the DOTARS website;-

If you are importing an old car with air conditioning equipment designed to run on CFCs you should engage a licenced technician to remove the CFC gas and disable the system so that it can no longer operate using a CFC. The licenced technician should complete and sign the CFC Compliance Form which you will be required to provide when importing your car to Australia.

CFC Compliance Form (PDF 104 KB)
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 06:29:11 am »
Herin a copy of the CFC Compliance form from the DOTARS site;-


CFC COMPLIANCE REPORT*
If you are proposing to import a refrigeration and/or air conditioning equipment/system(s) containing the refrigerant CFC or designed to operate using CFC refrigerant or item(s) containing such a system(s) into Australia, you willbe required to have this form completed by a licenced technician or they must provide these details on their official documentation. This form or their documents should be provided to your Customs Broker or Freight Forwarder or to Customs if you manage your own importing arrangements. Evidence of CFC compliance must be in English. To demonstrate compliance with the Ozone Protection And Synthetic Greenhouse Gas Management Act 1989 ie that the refrigerant has been evacuated from the system(s) and the system(s) has been modified, you will need to provide documentary evidence that the work has been completed. In respect to vehicles containing refrigeration and/or air conditioning system(s) or such systems designed for use in vehicles, the work must be completed prior to importing the goods in accordance with the Australian Automotive Code of Practice for the Reduction of Emissions of Fluorocarbons or comparable Code/Standard officially recognised in the country of operation, or as a minimum, the requirementsoutlined in the DoTARS note to importers of used vehicles. Further information can be found at: http://www.dotars.gov.au/transreg/vsb/air_conditioner_warning.docIn respect to other refrigeration and/or air conditioning systems, the work must be completed prior to importing the goods in accordance with the Australian Refrigeration and Air-conditioning Code of Good Practice (Standards Australia Handbook HB40 SAA HB40.3-2001 and ASNZ 1677 Book 1.2, available from Standards Australia) or comparable Code/Standard officially recognised in the country of operation. Documentary evidence needs to be written or translated in English detailing the following information and attaching a copy of the invoice/receipt for the work undertaken.
I declare that the following details are true and correct. Importer’s Name: _________________________________________________________Name of the technician: ____________________________________________________Technician's licence number: ________________________________________________Technician’s qualifications:__________________________________________________Place of business: ________________________________________________________Make, year, model and VIN/serial number(s): __________________________________________________________________________________________________________ CFC refrigerant removed from the pre-charged equipment: Yes No System charged with R134A : Yes NoThe system(s) has been modified so it cannot run on CFCs: Yes No CFC components left in country of export: Yes No Copy of invoice/receipt detailing work completedmust be attached Signature of Technician: ___________________________________________________Date work Completed:_____________________________________________________
* Please note: This document cannot be used to enable compliance with the Ozone Protection and Synthetic Greenhouse Gas Management Act 1989 by persons seeking to import into Australia refrigeration and air conditioning equipment that is insulated with foam manufactured with a CFC. The import into Australia of refrigeration and air conditioning equipment that is insulated with foam manufactured with a CFC has been banned since 1996.



Note the line requiring a VIN number indicating that this applies to cars and somewhere I seem to recall reading, although I can't find it now that this rule applies to all vehicles manufactured to 1990 but could not swear to that.
Hope this helps.

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 01:39:24 pm »
Stupid part about this is that you can still get R12 in Australia. I of course use the correct stuff that retrofits into those systems. :+

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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 04:19:13 pm »

Thankyou for the replies.

Seems it would be easier buying cars without air cond.

Unfortunately it appears to have become irrelevant in this case.
The seller went to his bank ( credit union ) to get the correct details to receive the transfer of money across and they advised him not to go through with the transfer, as there is too much fraud happening when dealing overseas. So he got cold feet and pulled out of the sale.
Gave him lots of info to prove we are genuine buyers.

Oh well - win some and lose some. Just wanted to send him quite a few grand.

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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 05:45:29 pm »
you can remove the air con and replace it over here can't you?

my car came over without the a/c, but i plan on replacing it when it gets close to on road.

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 03:56:09 am »
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Originally posted by rocket

Thankyou for the replies.

Seems it would be easier buying cars without air cond.

Unfortunately it appears to have become irrelevant in this case.
The seller went to his bank ( credit union ) to get the correct details to receive the transfer of money across and they advised him not to go through with the transfer, as there is too much fraud happening when dealing overseas. So he got cold feet and pulled out of the sale.
Gave him lots of info to prove we are genuine buyers.

Oh well - win some and lose some. Just wanted to send him quite a few grand.

Rocket.


Typical of the banks in the US. They do not know much, usually college age kids that have no idea. I was at a bank in Sacramento a couple of years ago & the customer in front of me asked if they could change her US$ for Euros. The teller asked "whats a Euro?" That was unbelievable enough, but when the manager came out, she did not know what that was either. I had heard enough & explained world currencies to them & told the customer how to get by when travelling.

So little wonder people get scared of international transactions.

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2009, 08:31:14 am »
Yeah, typical Yank flat earth theory;-  if you travel west from California the Earth ends in a large gaping chasm filled with savage Monsters with large teeth and bad breath that eat ships and aircraft whole.

God! I  have to stop eating cheese before going to bed, it just feeds the psychosis.
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2009, 03:09:14 am »
Yes - I find it amazing that generally speaking, Americans are not very knowledgable with money matters.

On several occasions when attempting to transfer money across there was a reluctance to provide the account information. They cannot comprehend that you can pay money into somebody`s account - but you certainly cannot withdraw money from it.
In our business, we provide our account details daily for people to pay for their goods. Internet banking is becoming very popular.

The good news is that the deal is back on. I cut a sign for the seller on our CNC Router. It has his name and a mustang on it. We then took photos with myself holding the sign in front of our shop and also with some of our cars. Sent the photos to him. Now he knows that we are 100% genuine. Actually he was stoked that somebody would go to that much trouble.

He seems to be an excellent bloke. The car is absolutely Rust Free and has spent it`s whole life in the Arizona Desert.

So we are stoked to be able to buy the car. :a

Now back to the question of the Air Cond. He says it has not had gas in the system for years. Might just ask him to remove the compressor and the hoses. Will this satisfy the Authorities?

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2009, 05:37:19 am »
My car also came from Arizona and all we had to do was provide the form as mentioned earlier and all was ok. Come to think of it nowhere in the whole import process was the air con ever mentioned again and unless AQIS checked it out when the car was inspected in Brisbane, it was never an issue. If it is a Customs thing then your customs agent will get clearence with the DOTARS form, just check with him.

So just print the form out from the DOTARS web site and have the seller certify that the air con has been drained of CFC gas and all should be well. After all without gas its just more lumps of metal and pipes under the bonnet. With mine it was certainly a non issue.

Best of luck.
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2009, 01:50:45 pm »

Phoenix, Thankyou for all the information provided. Appreciate it.

I will tackle it as you suggest.

Were you happy with your car upon receiving it. Was it totally Rust Free?

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2009, 03:27:57 pm »
Hi Rocket.
Happy to be of help, hope all goes well for you.
 
Yes I was happy with the car but not immediately.

 When we went to pick it up from the wharf in Brisbane they drove or should I say limped it out to where we were waiting with the trailer, it was filthy dirty with shipping stickers all over it, the aerial was removed from the guard and taped across the windscreen, it had a flat tyre making it look collapsed on one side and it was blowing smoke. I thought "WHAT HAVE I DONE" but it all proved to be superficial, she is just fine allowing for the fact it is a 41 year old original 250,000 miles on the clock and still going strong.

There was just a little bit of rust inside the lip on the boot lid, not seen untill the lid is lifted but easily fixed. The transmission had been leaking and the complete underside of the car was covered in oil, no self respecting rust would live in that environment, so I am happy with her and she will polish up very nicely with a little TLC and a few dollars. She will improve in value unlike our XR8 which is going in the other direction.

Glad the seller saw the light and I hope all goes well with the import.

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2009, 08:17:24 pm »
Hi Rocket,

Mine also came in from Arizona last year. Had been out there for 30 odd years and I am still finding pockets of Arizona sand and dirt in areas that are supposed to be rusted out! Hopefully your's will be as sloid- quite amazingly dry there apparently. My aircon had been disconnected and so pump  was wrapped and placed inside rear- no problems with customs etc. Get a reputable carrier though, I had dented sump and holed fuel tank by the time it arrived and find out if it leaks oil as someone may be unhappy if shipped above their convertible! Good luck. Sean

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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2009, 10:51:30 pm »

Great to see that you are both happy with the cars from Arizona.

We are of the opinion that good Rust Free cars are becoming harder to find in California.

The seller of this car is very knowledgable about Mustangs and has owned many. He also knows of others in his area and has offered to assist us in purchasing a couple of them next year.

There is a car airconditioning specialist not far from where he lives, and he has kindly offered to take it there and have the system evacuated, and obtain documentation that it has been done. He is a ripper bloke.

For inland car transport within the USA there is a Website called transportreviews.com  http://www.transportreviews.com/
It is an excellent site where you can see the track record of different businesses in car transport.
 We have used a couple of these businesses in the past with great results.
It took all of 5 minutes today to send an Email requesting a quote to move the car from Arizona to Los Angeles. The response was almost immediate. I had dealt with this particular business before. Quote was $400. Booked it straight away. Could not be easier than that.:a
If only the shipping from Los Angeles to Australia was so easy. Still trying to arrange that part.

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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2009, 10:59:49 pm »
Yes I paid $400.00 to ship from Arizona to LA, must be standard. Who are you using to ship to OZ. I used "We'll Dent Your Car International" and they certainly live up to their name. I do respond well to truth in advertising. Other name they went by was Rinkins.

You've done this before though and probably know who to avoid.

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2009, 02:37:26 pm »
Lol, Phoenix I think I used their East cost Branch- funny their invoices had them listed as DAS Global but i think California was as far west as they had experienced globally :+

Definitely would have asked here if i had my time again.

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2009, 06:17:34 pm »

The Shipper that we normally use quoted a high price. So we went with another LA Shipper.

Will post a full report when the car arrives.

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