Brake Booster for 65 Mustang with Manual Transmission

[Me!]

Yep, standard '66 clutch pedal in mine. '65 pedals are the same as far as I know. The MD gear bolts to the clutch pedal through the hole in the pedal arm that the mechanical linkage originally hooked up to.

Just give MD ALL the information about your car when you order it. The guy you want there is Paul Coffey - paul@moderndriveline.com. Great to deal with.

Thanks! Will get in touch with Paul.

[HAMBURGLAR]

Hey Ryan , if you do consider buying a master power booster and dual bowl setup for a manual trans 65/66 , let me know as I put one on my 66 for a 50km run then removed it and ran a full wilwood system. You can have it for $350 half what I paid if your interested.  IT has been sprayed black. Cheers Mark.

[Me!]

Will be waiting for you to get back from your holidays for sure. Let me know.

And yes, agree with you on the points above.

- The brake booster will not fit my current setup
- Buy a 7" booster like yours - either CJ Kit or if possible, same as yours since you've got a working solution that works.
- Get a MD Clutch kit


Question on the MD Clutch Kit - I presume it uses the stock clutch pedal? Now, I need to check whether my clutch pedal is "stock" or has been modified previously or not.

More information found.

So I did contact Griffs and apparently, the brake booster they use is from ABS Power Brake USA.

Geoff289: Can you confirm this please? Thank you.

[Me!]

Just measure from the top of steering column to the highest point of clutch master. As I mentioned I have 80mm clearance to the bottom of booster. The booster also sits out a fair bit. I'll try and measure that distance fir you.
Part # PBC-M1  64-66 Manual W/Disc PWR Brake.

John,

Can you confirm please?

If your part number is PBC-M1 - I presume it is the Scott Drake kit - https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/sdk-pbc-m1/overview/

But in one of your posts, you mentioned you have an ABS one?


Reason I'm asking now is I'm considering between 2 brake booster kits:
Scott Drake's - https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/sdk-pbc-m1/overview/

or

Master Power's - http://www.cjponyparts.com/master-power-power-brake-conversion-kit-dual-bowl-disc-brakes-manual-transmission-1965-1966/p/BBCK8/


About USD$135 difference.. If there are no issues with the Scott Drake's kit, then dont see why I should spend more?


Anyone with further thoughtS?

[birdman]

John,

Can you confirm please?

If your part number is PBC-M1 - I presume it is the Scott Drake kit - https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/sdk-pbc-m1/overview/

But in one of your posts, you mentioned you have an ABS one?


Reason I'm asking now is I'm considering between 2 brake booster kits:
Scott Drake's - https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/sdk-pbc-m1/overview/

or

Master Power's - http://www.cjponyparts.com/master-power-power-brake-conversion-kit-dual-bowl-disc-brakes-manual-transmission-1965-1966/p/BBCK8/


About USD$135 difference.. If there are no issues with the Scott Drake's kit, then dont see why I should spend more?


Anyone with further thoughtS?

Yes that's the correct part # as stated on my invoice. Yes my booster has ABS marked on it. Hamburglar is selling the same one as mine. You can check mine out anytime.

[Me!]

Yes that's the correct part # as stated on my invoice. Yes my booster has ABS marked on it. Hamburglar is selling the same one as mine. You can check mine out anytime.

Thanks. I'll see whether I can tee up some time this weekend to have a look at yours.

Yes, wanted to get from Hamburglar but I was a tad too slow - someone got to him and bought it before me. Ah well.. All good.

[birdman]

Thanks. I'll see whether I can tee up some time this weekend to have a look at yours.

Yes, wanted to get from Hamburglar but I was a tad too slow - someone got to him and bought it before me. Ah well.. All good.

You snooze, you lose...
I'll be at the Drive ins Saturday night. Come for a drive

[GEOFF289]

Ryan,

Here's a couple of not so good pics of my set up. It's a hard spot to get a good photo but I think you can see there is ample clearance between the booster and the clutch MC.





Geoff

[Me!]

Ryan,

Here's a couple of not so good pics of my set up. It's a hard spot to get a good photo but I think you can see there is ample clearance between the booster and the clutch MC.





Geoff

Thanks Jeff!

I'm sold! Already made my payment for a MDL kit. Will only be able to fit it in the new year.

Thanks!

[Me!]

Hi all,

It has been a while and it has taken me this long to complete my mission. But thought I'd contribute back to this forum as well.

So here's my initial setup (for those not wanting to read through the details):

• 65 Mustang Fastback / Left Hand drive / Manual Transmission / No Power Steering / AC / Hydraulic Clutch / Front Disc Brakes and Rear Drums

Aim: To add an-line Brake Booster


Challenges: Very hard to find a brake booster that will not fail against the hydraulic clutch master cylinder


Here is what I did:

• From recommendations here, I bought a Modern Driveline Clutch Kit. This is the only setup that offsets the clutch m/c to the side away from the booster. The clutch pedal is then connected to the m/c via mechanical linkages.
  
  Installation is easy but required drilling another hole on the firewall (for the clutch master cylinder) and plugging up the original hole. It was well detailed in the instructions so just needed to follow step by step.
• Bought a SDK-PBC-M1 - Scott Drake Brake Booster with inline dual-bowl master cylinder - this fitted in right in the corner snugly. Any bigger will require removal of hood and export brace to fit it in.
• I also bought a Wilwood Proportional Valve so I can adjust the rear brakes

Plumbed up all new brake lines in Stainless Steel (the part that took the longest time!).. and now, it's all up and running!

I just got it running last weekend so some more tweaks to do.

[GEOFF289]

Way to go Ryan. Glad it worked out well for you. Driving them is more fun than working on them.

[Dwayne]

Thanks for the summary and update.

It's sure to help a few people in the future.

[birdman]

Hi all,

It has been a while and it has taken me this long to complete my mission. But thought I'd contribute back to this forum as well.

So here's my initial setup (for those not wanting to read through the details):

• 65 Mustang Fastback / Left Hand drive / Manual Transmission / No Power Steering / AC / Hydraulic Clutch / Front Disc Brakes and Rear Drums

Aim: To add an-line Brake Booster


Challenges: Very hard to find a brake booster that will not fail against the hydraulic clutch master cylinder


Here is what I did:

• From recommendations here, I bought a Modern Driveline Clutch Kit. This is the only setup that offsets the clutch m/c to the side away from the booster. The clutch pedal is then connected to the m/c via mechanical linkages.
  
  Installation is easy but required drilling another hole on the firewall (for the clutch master cylinder) and plugging up the original hole. It was well detailed in the instructions so just needed to follow step by step.
• Bought a SDK-PBC-M1 - Scott Drake Brake Booster with inline dual-bowl master cylinder - this fitted in right in the corner snugly. Any bigger will require removal of hood and export brace to fit it in.
• I also bought a Wilwood Proportional Valve so I can adjust the rear brakes

Plumbed up all new brake lines in Stainless Steel (the part that took the longest time!).. and now, it's all up and running!

I just got it running last weekend so some more tweaks to do.

Nice work. Any pics?

[Me!]

Way to go Ryan. Glad it worked out well for you. Driving them is more fun than working on them.

Cant agree more with that! Every "small" project somehow ends up taking weeks / months..

[Me!]

Nice work. Any pics?

I did take some photos actually. I'll look for them and post them over the next couple of days.

[birdman]

I did take some photos actually. I'll look for them and post them over the next couple of days.

We're all waiting     

[Me!]

haha!

Sorry for the delay - in the midst of moving houses now too so a lot of happening at the same time.

Here are some photos attached.

Photo 1 - Old vs New
Photo 2 - Made a bracket to hold a Wilwood Distribution Block / Proportional Valve
Photo 3 - As per new clutch master cylinder installation instructions, marked out firewall
Photo 4 - New clutch master cylinder installed

[Me!]

I've got a question here for all though... I'm having difficulties finding a clear answer and no response from Scott Drake or SummitRacing too (where i bought the booster from).

When plumbing up the brake lines from the brake master cylinder - is it:
Front Port to Front Brakes

or

Front Port to Rear Brakes


Or does it matter?

[Me!]

More photos:

Photo 1: Need to notch out the short brace connected to the shock tower. This is to give clearance for the brake master cylinder bowl / cap.
Photo 2: All new lines run instead of hoses to keep things neat and tidy

[pat]

I've got a question here for all though... I'm having difficulties finding a clear answer and no response from Scott Drake or SummitRacing too (where i bought the booster from).

When plumbing up the brake lines from the brake master cylinder - is it:
Front Port to Front Brakes

or

Front Port to Rear Brakes


Or does it matter?

Have a quick look thru here, front brakes rear port
http://www.mpbrakes.com/docs/orig-guides/MPB-F200-38.pdf

[GEOFF289]

The larger reservoir goes to the front brakes. This is usually the rear of the master cylinder.

[Me!]

The larger reservoir goes to the front brakes. This is usually the rear of the master cylinder.

Both the bowls on mine are of the same size.

[Me!]

Have a quick look thru here, front brakes rear port
http://www.mpbrakes.com/docs/orig-guides/MPB-F200-38.pdf

Thanks. I've read that one too. However, is this applicable to ALL brands of dual bowl master cylinders? Or is it brand dependent?

Mine is a Scott Drake.

[GEOFF289]

Pretty sure it'll be rear port to front brakes.

http://www.cjponyparts.com/tech-dual-master-cylinder/a/147/

[Me!]

Pretty sure it'll be rear port to front brakes.

http://www.cjponyparts.com/tech-dual-master-cylinder/a/147/

Thanks. I'll give this a go. Just means that i'll need to remove the brake booster from the car again to run the lines neatly.

Note to anyone doing this: this booster JUST fits in the space without removing the export brace and hood i.e. any bigger and you'll be running into more issues and have to start removing more parts from the car.


In the mean time, if anyone happen to their ports running the opposite way (i.e. front port to front brake), do chime in too!