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Offline anfo99

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I want more power
« on: April 28, 2016, 05:31:20 pm »
I've got a 302 with a heatseeker cam 224 duration 110 separation, edelbrock air gap intake manifold, holley 600, edelbrock e-street heads, with 60cc volume hooker headers 2 1/2 exhaust.
C4 auto that is stock and the diff is an open 3.0:1

I've been told to put an ice ignition in it as the one I'm using is reconditioned and I'm not entirely happy with it.

Currently I've achieved 200hp and 303ft/lb's.

I've also been told a bigger cam will unleash the potential off the engine - I'd go for a K-code grind if I knew what it was?

Any help gratefully received
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Re: I want more power
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 05:36:58 pm »
The best thing about your set up is the air gap intake ,everything else is mild . The cam is mild ,heads are mild and carby is small . You need diff gears , a  true trac and a hi stall .

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 05:39:07 pm »
your cam specs are incomplete.

i hope the 200 hp is at the rear wheels

your compression is too low.

your gears are too low.

a hi po cam is a bit small for those heads.

ice ignition is overkill and a waste of money for your app.

eddy makes two versions of the e streets . which ones do you have?

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 05:41:56 pm »
I guess it depends on what you want it to do and how much you want to spend,  you can stroke it to 347cu in and easily achieve 400 hp,
alot more options are out their, and I'm sure will be posted real soon 
 

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2016, 05:45:04 pm »
Would go for a K code grind if you knew what that was  :lmao: .  Your whole set up is good but mild . 

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2016, 06:15:46 pm »
I am so glad you are amused Glenn....

Yes, the 200 is at the rear wheels. I am looking for 250 - 275hp

not looking to spend  a shit load of $$$

will be looking at a trutrac with 3.25 gears shortly as well
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2016, 06:26:33 pm »
Yes, the 200 is at the rear wheels. I am looking for 250 - 275hp

not looking to spend  a shit load of $$$

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2016, 06:33:02 pm »
No mater what you do you need a hi stall convertor .  That alone will wake it up and the 3.25 will help a little and the true trac will help with traction only . The twin 2.5 inch exhaust is a bit of an over kill .

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2016, 06:46:29 pm »
Webers..

I know someone who has a set to sell...  :lol:

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2016, 06:51:06 pm »
Yes webers and CHEAP  :lmao:  and yes they come with new spark plugs  :thumb:

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2016, 07:24:18 pm »
An extra 50 to 75 HP is a big ask and the rear wheels . Do you want more power off the line or top end power ? . To get that extra power you will have to change a lot . More go off the line , a hi stall and a true trac for traction .

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2016, 08:45:24 pm »
If you want the extra 75 HP at the rear you will need
1) 1.5 point increase in compression
2) Roller cam - similar duration (or even a little less with fast rams) though a lot more lift.
3) New springs, linked lifters, new push rods
4) 650 DP minimum
5) 1 5/8 long tube headers.
6) May need minor porting of the heads as you not detail the Intake CCs and Valve size.
then to enjoy it
1) High stall converter
2) Much shorter diff gearing - 3.8:1
 
Yep this means $$$$

or Rebuild as a stroker

or Add a super charger.

Note: As you chase more power the $$$ go up exponentially.

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2016, 09:38:45 pm »
Affordable racing parts can do a CNC port job on the E street heads which will wake them up. Tristan Triccas is there now, EX Trick & Mansweto racing, he has a nice port job for these I'm pretty sure. Stick a good roller cam in it bump the compression up to 10.5 or so. ICE ignition wont make it any faster.

http://www.affordableracingparts.com.au/pages/ARP-Expands.html

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2016, 10:17:39 pm »
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Re: I want more power
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2016, 10:32:42 pm »
Or buy a 351.

Seriously, anything is possible, but going fast costs money. To get a 75hp increase at the wheels, you're looking at a 100hp increase at the crank. If you're at 200rwhp then you're at around 260hp at the crank. Not unreasonable considering your 302 was probably around 210-230 hp originally without all the ancillaries on it, so the low-hanging fruit improvements are done. A cam and therefore lifters ($250 at least) would add potentially another 20-40 hp, but you'll probably need better springs ($150) to handle more lift with more load at higher rpm and you can put those on without removing the heads. However, if you're not confident in your valves being strong enough then think of replacing them ($250) - and if you're removing the heads for that, get them ported and surfaced for more compression ($500-$1000 depending on how far you go) which will give you another $20-40 hp. All this will be nice, but to FEEL faster, get the rear gears changed to 3.25 minimum, maybe 3.5:1 or more ($300 for gears, $500 for someone to fit them) and if you're pulling it apart, get a tru-track or similar $dunno, but hundreds) and it will certainly punch you in he back when you nail it. To deliver on the higher HP numbers (some of which will come from higher revs) then you need to feed it, so consider a bigger than 600cfm carb - if you have an auto, a vac-secondary carb will be fine, probably a 650/700. More than that is too much, and I have a suspicion that the 600 properly sorted will be enough.

Suddenly $2000 is looking quite cheap, and $3000 is just around the corner. How fast did you want to spend?
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Re: I want more power
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2016, 10:38:47 pm »
What are you talking about Ryan ? . Put that kit on any of your cars and they could drop 2 tenths of a second and pick up 2 mph  ,WOW .  That kit is for a little boost if your loosing a race and gives you another 25 HP for a short blast only ,a couple of seconds at a time .

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Re: I want more power
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2016, 01:32:49 am »
Webers..

I know someone who has a set to sell...  :lol:

 I'll take them as long as they come pre-tuned. :lmao:

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2016, 01:39:21 am »
What are you talking about Ryan ? . Put that kit on any of your cars and they could drop 2 tenths of a second and pick up 2 mph  ,WOW .  That kit is for a little boost if your loosing a race and gives you another 25 HP for a short blast only ,a couple of seconds at a time .

ok, how bout this one then.  :lmao:


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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2016, 07:13:04 am »
What are you talking about Ryan ? . Put that kit on any of your cars and they could drop 2 tenths of a second and pick up 2 mph  ,WOW .  That kit is for a little boost if your loosing a race and gives you another 25 HP for a short blast only ,a couple of seconds at a time .

I'm talking about the no2 the happy gas.....  :grin:  you could hide a kit like this pretty easy....
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Re: I want more power
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2016, 07:30:48 am »
+1 for 351w.
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2016, 07:41:03 am »
+1 for 351w.

+1 for 418 stroked 351 Windsor.

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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2016, 07:55:53 am »
Ryan forget the NITROS .  Now back to this thread ,I want more power for  who ever it was that started this thread  :grin: .

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2016, 08:04:14 am »
Ryan forget the NITROS .  Now back to this thread ,I want more power for  who ever it was that started this thread  :grin: .

General rule of thumb is more power = more money. A good set of heads will be $2500 cam kit $1000 bigger carb $750 bigger exhaust and headers $$$. I think you could blown away a easy 5-6k getting another 100hp.
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Re: I want more power
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2016, 08:09:52 am »
Ryan forget the NITROS .  Now back to this thread ,I want more power for  who ever it was that started this thread  :grin: .


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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2016, 08:13:05 am »