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msd e curve
« on: November 05, 2015, 10:17:39 pm »
Can anyone who has an e curve fitted tell if they've had a good experience with them?
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 10:30:15 pm »
hey does that thing run yet? . . i dont know what an e curve is but if ts a distributoor a stock one will work fine

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 10:42:40 pm »
Dont bother with them buy a normal ready to run pro-billet.

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 11:34:38 pm »
It runs pretty good but need tuning.I thought I might replace the dissy with something better than the procomp dissy and box currently on it before o get it tuned. Much better throttle response, breaks traction much easier and you can notice the reduced weight in the front. I only got it finished a week before leaving for the middle east for four months where I still am. My wife has been driving it and she commented on the extra performance, but its also a little harder to start and a bit rough when cold.
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 11:36:56 pm »
Thanks Shaun.can I ask why you say that?
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 11:40:25 pm »
Do you have the choke hooked up ? .  If not yes it will run a bit rough till warm .  The E curve is just the basic MSD that's all .

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 11:46:05 pm »
The choke is hooked but I can't confirm its adjusted right  especially not from here :flag:
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2015, 11:48:30 pm »
Sp the e curve is just a cheaper version of a pro billet?
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2015, 01:17:34 am »
The E-curve is quite different to the pro-billet - I would not use one.
Stay with something simple. The Pro-billet is far better and far more reliable.

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2015, 07:11:05 am »
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ROUGH WARM UP

ok, it is supposed to run rougher when warming up because you made the cam bigger and increased the compression . . as long as it does not die warming up then it is just fine and dandy athough the choke might need a tiny bit of adjustment as well as the carburetor fuel mixture screws.


BREAKING TRACTION

the reason it breaks traction easy and has good throttle response even though you made the cam bigger, is because you did exactly what i suggested for your compression . . you had faith and spent a ton of money on very expensive head gaskets and milling the heads and increased performance with no detonation is your reward . . unfortunately 99.999% of the people dont know anything about this or they just dont listen when i or others tell them . . every engine builder like boofhead and shaunp and glenn know these things and attend to the quench/squish clearance unless possibly its just basically a mild build . . compression is KING!


IGNITIONS

Ok, you are now in timing hell, but i or another will tell you how to easily get out of it because you are a person that listens and does what is suggested so you are helping yourself greatly by doing that instead of sniveling and arguing about it like many others seem to . . you are a fun person to help.

That msd is a total waste of $400 us dollars . . if you want a new distributor, i would get one of the two below . . the msd is also taller than stock and might hit your air cleaner plus it just looks gay.

stock cast look with pertronix I unit . . $225.00.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pnx-d134600/overview/make/ford


shiny billet unit . . $270.00 usd

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pnx-d7130710/overview/make/ford


here's all their units.

http://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/distributors/make/ford/engine-size/4-7l-289/engine-family/ford-small-block-windsor/brand/pertronix?N=4294944559%2B4294951343%2B4294951340%2B4294951337%2B400428&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending

heres the deal on ignitions so you can make a more informed decision . . a shiny new $400.00 distributor will NOT give you one single horsepower more than a properly set up stock one . . unfortunately the mfgs marketing is so good that they have many people believing that their car will magically have a bazillion more hp if they buy one.

1. you will benefit SLIGHTLY from have a FULL TIME multi fire ignition . . this means it has multi fire no matter how many rpm your engine spins . . some stop multi firing after around 3,000 rpm . . msd 6A is the least expensive i know of . .  that unit is good and wont fail even though its chnese.

2. you do not need high voltage in your particular case but i would get an msd epoxy filled anti vibration coil if you get a multi fore ignition . . the non epoxy ones have been known to fail so its safer to spend another $15.00 and get the good one.

3. if you use a stock distributor, a pertronix I unit is all you need in it then combine that with an msd box and coil and you are done if you want.

4. set your spark plug gap at .042 with a high voltage ignition.


CARBURETOR

Just a reminder, you likely need to jet it and change the secondary spring . . buy the holley spring kit and AFTER we get the timing curve properly set, do the following.

1. put the car in first gear and floor it as fast and as hard as you can up to 40 kph.

2. install the white spring and do the same test . . if the car does not bog once it gets above 10 kph, leave that spring in . . if it does accelerate then bog for a second then accelerate again, the spring is too light so simply install one that is two steps stronger and do the same test.

3. if it still bogs with the new spring, go up just 1 size and try again.
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2015, 07:51:25 am »
This one maybe

http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Distributors/Ford/Ready-to-Run/E-Curve/8352_-_Ford_289-302_Ready-To-Run_Distributor.aspx


The MSD 8352 is the choice I would use in most installs (and I have a number of times). Having said that I
have also used the Pentronix units (as linked to from Barn) with no issues. There is no need to use a CDI box in your case though do get a matched coil (as Barn was suggesting).

Note: In all cases you will need a constant 12V to the distributor so you might have a small amount of wiring to do.

 
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2015, 09:00:00 am »

The MSD 8352 is the choice I would use in most installs

hey boofhead, is that a multi fire distributor?

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2015, 11:17:46 am »
hey boofhead, is that a multi fire distributor?

No - if you want that feature then you employ/combine with a 6A CDI box. Most installs really do not need a multiple spark ignition. Though I have to point out my Mustang is running a Digital 6A box.

When you consider the above especially when considering cost the Pentronix III does have all the features for a lower price.
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2015, 11:43:46 am »
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thanks for the info, i was just too lazy to look it up . . yeah, i mainly use the multi fire on big cams, but hell. he's in this far, why stop now?  :lmao:


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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2015, 04:48:45 pm »
Are Mallory promasters any good ? Is the msd better?
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2015, 04:55:36 pm »
If you want the best go with the MSD pro billet ready to run . Even tho MSD own mallory I still don't like them .

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2015, 06:15:43 pm »
If you want the best go with the MSD pro billet ready to run . Even tho MSD own mallory I still don't like them .

You just hate them because you are old enough to remember them sheering the gear in clevo's back in the 80's

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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2015, 06:41:45 pm »
 :lmao: yep they use to break the roll pin holding the bottom gear .

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2015, 06:46:15 pm »
skev, do you not like chinese parts?

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2015, 07:53:56 pm »
I've not heard anything good about procomp, although mine has caused me no trouble. Where its made is not the main issue, China have a space program, I'm sure they're capable of quality work. I could leave it but thought id take the opportunity to upgrade it.
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2015, 08:30:04 pm »
I've not heard anything good about procomp, although mine has caused me no trouble. Where its made is not the main issue, China have a space program, I'm sure they're capable of quality work. I could leave it but thought id take the opportunity to upgrade it.

pertronix is not made by pro comp.

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2015, 08:34:23 pm »
I don't have pertronics and wasn't planning to.
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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2015, 08:35:52 pm »
I don't have pertronics and wasn't planning to.
so you dont want a pertronix then?

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Re: msd e curve
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2015, 08:40:33 pm »
To be honest I haven't even looked at them. I wouldn't necessarily discount them if the price was good. Do they do one that is similar to the 8352?
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