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« on: January 08, 2008, 06:48:05 pm »
Can anyone tell me what the two little round terminals  on the starter solenoid do?

What are the connected to?

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2008, 06:53:29 pm »
The one on the battery side is connected to the starter switch which in turn activates the starter relay. The other terminal is only used if you are running the ballast resister setup which gives the coil the full 12 volts only at startup. Hope this helps. JL

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2008, 06:55:54 pm »
Thanks John :(

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2008, 09:15:18 pm »
So when I put the test light on the terminal of the solenoid for the coil, remove the wire and turn the ignition on and crank it, the test light should light up?

If the answer to that is yes, does that mean mine has a problem as it does'nt light up?

When I put the test light into the wire for that terminal it lights up when the ignition is on and cranking it. Does that sound right? :_

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

Or do I just have no idea?;3 Heven :w

I put the wire back on the terminal, put the test light into the positive wire in the plug that goes onto the coil and cranked it. There was no light from the test light.

I will get some wire tomorrow and run it straight from the battery to the coil and see if the sparks fly.

Could it be anything to do with the ignition switch? :o

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2008, 09:58:59 pm »
by geez you have som probs echo. did you just put in the new ignition system? or was it runnin with it on. if you just put it in im thinking that you are still runnin the ballist resistor setup so your new crane an coil is only getting about 9 v. if you have the 12v system then as soon as you turn the key to on the coil should be gettin 12 at +ve. when you turn the key to start in theory both little termanals read 12v. if the relay is faulty then the coil termanal is somehow negating the voltage to the coil. just disconnect the coil side wire cos its not really necessary.

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2008, 07:32:55 am »
Oz it been running this way for the last 6 years no problems :(. Over the last 6 months its been getting harder and harder to start and here we are today.:_

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2008, 07:41:10 am »
Hi Echo,

Have a look at this web address.

http://www.hammar.dyndns.org/~djhamma/wiring/wiring1966.htm

You can print all the wiring diagrams for your 66 mustang.
This may help you troubleshoot your defect
Regards Felix
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2008, 10:38:46 am »
Hey I have a question for you guys while were on this subject?? I have one of those new 50,000-volt hei Procomp distributors And a starter motor with the solenoid already attached to the motor. What I was wanting to know is how I would set this wiring up properly because I have figured out how to get the starter motor to work but not get it to engage to turn the flywheel properly. And my last question is if anyone would know how the wiring set up works for those hei distributors because I still can figure out how to get a spark in my 302w?
Thanks Ryan,
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2008, 11:22:57 am »
ryan is the starter wired up an spinning. if its not engaging the fly then ether its not bolted up properly or you have a wrong one.

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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2008, 06:34:50 pm »
Well I have tried a few started motors so far on the 302 Windsor & the new stater motor of my 6cyl motor was spinning but I couldn’t get it to engage to spin the flywheel. The 2nd one was off an old Windsor motor I just used for parts and got it to turn the flywheel but sum how I don’t think it engaged properly!! But it still turned the flywheel. Just fine And once I got it all turning over I couldn’t seam to get a spark out of the new hei distributor. The distributor I have only seams to have 2 plugs to connect wires too one just says tack & the other one says bat so I just connected it to bat and wired it up to the + part of the battery and got nothing.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2008, 10:41:45 pm »
Hi there,
     would need some more info the distributor to me more accurate.

1st, i'd say you are not giving the dizzy the correct voltage.  It probably needs  12 volts.  Do this, turn your ignition on and check the volts at the + side of the coil.  its probably 8.8 volts.  You need to bypass the resistor wire.  Just scotchlok a wire as close to the ignition switch and firewall on the pink wire.

2nd.  the wire marked tacho is to feed the tacho.  which will not work with a muzzy tacho.

3rd. If your car has a factory tacho dash, then disconnect the tacho, and my first point  will secure the feed from the ignition to the coil.

Without more info on your car, i am forced to believe you have the tacho dash and this creating a problem.


Starter motor.
There are 2 different starters for these.  An auto and a manual.
The difference is in the pinion housing.   The manual one is longer allowing the pinion gear to throw out further.  
An auto starter in a manual will never engage the ring gear, whereas a manual in an auto will not disengage. (have struck this before)

Cheers
Jas

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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2008, 03:18:53 pm »
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Originally posted by jas24zzk
Hi there,
     would need some more info the distributor to me more accurate.

1st, i'd say you are not giving the dizzy the correct voltage.  It probably needs  12 volts.  Do this, turn your ignition on and check the volts at the + side of the coil.  its probably 8.8 volts.  You need to bypass the resistor wire.  Just scotchlok a wire as close to the ignition switch and firewall on the pink wire.

2nd.  the wire marked tacho is to feed the tacho.  which will not work with a muzzy tacho.

3rd. If your car has a factory tacho dash, then disconnect the tacho, and my first point  will secure the feed from the ignition to the coil.

Without more info on your car, i am forced to believe you have the tacho dash and this creating a problem.


Starter motor.
There are 2 different starters for these.  An auto and a manual.
The difference is in the pinion housing.   The manual one is longer allowing the pinion gear to throw out further.  
An auto starter in a manual will never engage the ring gear, whereas a manual in an auto will not disengage. (have struck this before)

Cheers
Jas


Hi jas
this is my distributor I am using atm on my 302 windsor. I have no tacho on my car, as it is a 65 coupe.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-FORD-289-302-WINDSOR-HEI-DISTRIBUTOR_W0QQitemZ280190973142QQihZ018QQcategoryZ130665QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Thanks Ryan,
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hipo 4bbl 347 windsor v8
t5 5 speed manual
4 wheel power assisted brakes

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1967 mustang coupe 289 c4 red
1966 mustang convertible nightmist blue
1951 f1 chopped truck blown c4 black
1963 Xl falcon ute 200ci 3spd manual white

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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2008, 09:12:39 pm »
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Originally posted by 66coupe
Hi Echo,

Have a look at this web address.

http://www.hammar.dyndns.org/~djhamma/wiring/wiring1966.htm

You can print all the wiring diagrams for your 66 mustang.
This may help you troubleshoot your defect
Regards Felix


Thanks Felix , thats a great help. :(

As for the thread hi jackers - Piss off and start your own thread :[:_:-:+:w:(

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2008, 12:27:26 am »
no worries echo.might see you on the road one day
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2008, 12:28:27 am »
No worries Echo.Might see you on the road one day as I only live at Barden Ridge
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2008, 12:51:06 am »
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Originally posted by echo

As for the thread hi jackers - Piss off and start your own thread :[:_:-:+:w:(


Haha :w I'm Sorry echo I don’t mean too:: It was just easier to borrow yours than create one myself :+
1965 Ford mustang coupe
hipo 4bbl 347 windsor v8
t5 5 speed manual
4 wheel power assisted brakes

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1967 mustang coupe 289 c4 red
1966 mustang convertible nightmist blue
1951 f1 chopped truck blown c4 black
1963 Xl falcon ute 200ci 3spd manual white