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EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« on: May 23, 2013, 09:34:07 am »
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EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 09:50:22 am »
doesn't really come as any real shock!, don't think GMH would be too far behind.........Australia, the land of what used to be!
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 10:22:03 am »
I feel like I should buy one of the last produced Falcons.

Hmm, XR6 or G6E?

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2013, 10:23:49 am »
Ha, they might start selling some now? I'm sure others are thinking the same thing. :grin:
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 10:33:07 am »
It is confirmed. I had a good mate who was a maintenance welder down in Geelong and he said some 8 years ago that FORD needs to go Hi-tech and more compact with the Falcon or it would kill FORD in Australia. I have 2 Falcons but I am not at all surprised at this demise. Falcon is the family car of yesterday, but in saying this the current model is a very nice looking-performing car, IMO. This technology however, is way out of date with most family car consumers now. Some of the earlier models were great cars. So now we will get FORDS from Asian countries! Feel sorry for all those local employees and suppliers who remained loyal for so long. The decision makers from OZ need to be held accountable/blamed.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 10:57:37 am »
FORD  AUSTRALIA and GMH ,should have pulled there fingers out years ago, and built a decent car . Sorry guys i am a FORD guy but, the late models since el/98 are rubbish . Not saying that about the engines but everything around them . RIP .

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2013, 11:09:07 am »
Well some said it had to happen sooner or later but Ford Australia has just announced that it will officially end local production after more losses in 2012.Only 3 years left and the 1200 people that work for Ford will be unemployed once it closes in October 2016.

A real sad day.  :cry:
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2013, 11:19:28 am »
So how long till Holden make the same announcement, within 12 months?
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2013, 11:24:15 am »
Yeah, my mate who works for Holden says that they are here purely as competition to Ford. Once Ford is gone, then there is no reason to have Holden anymore.


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2013, 11:33:47 am »
Grim day indeed for Ford Australia and their supply chain workers.

And it's goodnight nurse to the Falcon nameplate in 2016 as well. No real surprise though given the blue oval product is an old school 2006 design up against so many new generation hi tech offerings.

Seems crazy that the Feds are spending $50 million a week on boat people yet we can't keep our auto industry afloat through hard times.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2013, 11:43:11 am »

Seems crazy that the Feds are spending $50 million a week on boat people yet we can't keep our auto industry afloat through hard times.

Our auto industry is its own worst enemy.  They have been propped up for far too long already.  As you said there are many high tech offerings out there and Ford and Holden have not advanced at the same pace.  If they continue to make bad decisions then I dont think we should support them.  Sad to see them go but they are up against it and have themselves to blame.

On the other hand $50m a week on boat peaople is a joke.  This useless government are up sh1t creek as it is without blowing this money.  Can't wait till September to see the end of them.  Hopefully the new clowns can sort it!!

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2013, 11:53:15 am »
It is confirmed. I had a good mate who was a maintenance welder down in Geelong and he said some 8 years ago that FORD needs to go Hi-tech and more compact with the Falcon or it would kill FORD in Australia. I have 2 Falcons but I am not at all surprised at this demise. Falcon is the family car of yesterday, but in saying this the current model is a very nice looking-performing car, IMO. This technology however, is way out of date with most family car consumers now. Some of the earlier models were great cars. So now we will get FORDS from Asian countries! Feel sorry for all those local employees and suppliers who remained loyal for so long. The decision makers from OZ need to be held accountable/blamed.


Spot on. As a commercial traveller I had a new Falcon every model from XE up. Annoying problems were never addressed and carried on from one model to the next. My last two Fords (privately owned) were a BF F6 (unfortunately written off) and an FG F6 and when I sold the FG after 12 months I declared I would never buy a new Ford again. Those F6's were great to drive but the build quality was non existent and as for service ... there wasn't any. I don't know how many times I took those damned cars back to the dealers for warranty problems and 80% of the time they weren't fixed. And when I complained to Dealer Principals they fobbed it off. There was/is an entrenched philosophy within Ford Australia to place the customer LAST.

Then, as for advertising ... what advertising. The FG was released onto the market in wall of silence from Ford. No one knew unless they happened to walk into a Dealer. Now they are advertising when the future is doomed.

Conversely over the past five years my wife has had two Mazda 3's, with nothing needing warranty, and exceptional service.

Yes indeed, the decision makers from OZ do need to be held accountable.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2013, 12:20:02 pm »
It comes as no surprise really, only a matter of time.

We lost a lot of our whitegoods and electricals back in the 90's, our refineries are disappearing, the car companies now following. 

Looks like Keating's prediction of us turning into a banana republic is starting to come to fruition (excuse the pun).

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2013, 12:36:44 pm »
So now that its official, the next question to be answered is what will the falcon be replaced with? I'm sure most would love to see the Mustang hit our shores, but don't think it would appeal to many as a family car. I believe it would more than likely be the Taurus. Nice looking car, but similar to a Falcon in many ways. If Falcons cant sell why will the Taurus?

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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2013, 12:46:41 pm »
So now that its official, the next question to be answered is what will the falcon be replaced with?

Without manufacturing cars here it'll now come down to what car dealers are willing to stock their floors with.  They'll directly import from overseas the same way they do now with Mercedes, etc. and their/our choice will be governed by which car companies are manufacturing RHD.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2013, 01:29:10 pm »
It's a bad day. Not just from an enthusiast's perspective, but with all the supplier and ancilliary companys that are associated with them likely to fall over too - where do our sons go for an apprenticeship? If all manufacturing dissappears then the skills that go with them will disappear too. I hate the idea, but there's no alternative other than to have to Gov't prop them up - import levies on competitor products won't work because other countries will do that to Australian products and that'll kill ALL our product/manufacturing sectors.

Holden will follow, but not for a few years yet - they'll be able to stave off closure due to the lure of large oversea's markets (US, Middle East etc)that might keep the Commodore platform afloat for a few more years, but it'll come.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2013, 01:29:36 pm »
Our auto industry is its own worst enemy.  They have been propped up for far too long already.  As you said there are many high tech offerings out there and Ford and Holden have not advanced at the same pace.  If they continue to make bad decisions then I dont think we should support them.  Sad to see them go but they are up against it and have themselves to blame.


Disagree with this. The Government not growing any balls is a bigger reason.

This is from another forum where we have been discussing this at length for quite a while.


Here is a copy of a speech that was presented at dinner in October 2012 by Mr Mark De Wit National Vice President of the FAPM ( Federation of Automotive Products Manufacturers Association ), it makes for a very interesting read.

The automotive industry is often referred to as the “foundation” of manufacturing, leading the sector in research, industrial design & styling, engineering & product development, testing & validation, tooling & manufacture, lean production, logistics & supply chain management.....the list goes on.
But it is under severe threat. Its survival is far from certain.
And I want to touch on why we think this is the case
Let's start by having a look at the Playing Field
• In the last few years, about 1 million cars per year have been sold in Australia.
• In 2011 Australia only produced 14% of all 1 million cars sold in this country.
• 5 years ago, this was ~20%, 10 years ago was ~30% and 20 years ago this was ~53%?
• So what has changed……. I heard some self proclaimed experts on the radio saying we are not making the right cars that people want.
• RUBBISH….in fact of the 5 platforms built in Australia (Commodore, Cruze, Falcon, Territory and Camry), in 2011, 4 were in the top 10 selling cars.
• If you add up the volume of the top 10 selling cars in 2011 it equates to only 295,212 vehicles. So even if we build every one of these top 10 in Australia, we would still only be at 29% domestically produced as a ratio to total sales.
• So we produce a meagre 14% of all vehicles sold here, but if we include all export production as well, we made ~220,000 cars in total (140k domestically produced & sold + 80k for export) - so Australian total production to total sales ratio of 22%.
• Of the 1 million cars sold here, 86% are imported, with almost all ( 95%) coming from just 4 countries. Japan accounts for 44%, Thailand 21%, Korea 20% and Germany 10%.
• Let's compare our 22% production to sales ratio to these 4 countries.
• In Japan, sales of 4.4m vehicles versus production of 8.4m vehicles (190%)
• In Thailand, sales of 800,000 vehicles versus production of 1.5m vehicles (188%)
• In South Korea, sales of 1.5m vehicles versus production of 4.7m vehicles (318%)
• In Germany, sales of 3.2m vehicles versus production of 5.9m vehicles (185%)
So why are we at 22%? Why has it come down from 53% 20 years ago? What do we have to do to get it right like these 4 countries - and many others as well - from my • research, almost every other car making country has a ratio > 50% and the majority are in triple digits

Let's look at the dreaded T word....Tariff's
• For any imported car into Australia, the inbound tariff applied is 5%, unless of course we have a free trade agreement with that country (which we do with Thailand and the USA, and next year, Malaysia), where the tariff becomes zero.

But unfortunately this isn't reciprocated in return.
• If Australia tries to send a car to Japan, there is a 10% tariff + a 5% consumer tax + technical roadblocks that make it virtually impossible to get regulatory approval to get a foreign car on their road.
• If we send a car from Australia to Germany, there is a 10% tariff + a 19% VAT (which isn't applied to EU built cars), a total of 29% versus the 5% for a German car sent here!
• If we send a car from Australia to Korea, there is a 10% tariff applied + there is a long and painful process to try and get it registered + an unwritten rule that anyone buying an imported car in Korea will likely be subjected to a tax audit
• And finally, when free trade isn't free…..Thailand send 180,000 vehicles a year into Australia (and growing) with ZERO tariff. Logically, with a free trade agreement, we should be able to send cars from Australia back to Thailand with a ZERO tariff……and we can…..BUT there is a 'duty' to be paid dependent on engine size. In essence it means that if we try and send an Aussie made car to Thailand, the 'duty' applied is anything from 50% to 80%
• The exception that appears lower is the USA, who have a 2.5% import tariff on passenger cars…….however, what many people don't realise is that the local producers in the USA make a very large number of "pick-up trucks" (like the F150 Ford, Chevy Suburban, Toyota Tacoma etc), and in fact the majority of profit for the North American producers comes from these types of vehicles……and if you want to import a pick-up truck into the USA, it attracts a 25% import tariff !! They protect their Golden Goose !!
• When our production to sales ratio 20 years ago was at 53%, tariff rates for imported cars into Australia were a high ~32% (down from their peak of 57.5% in the mid 80's) and they have been rapidly reducing ever since under the 'Button Plan'.
• More recently, they were reduced in 2005 to 10% and then again in January 2010 to 5% (effective 3.5%)
• Since the Button plan in the late 80's was devised and Australia set a path to reduce tariffs to zero, we have also seen the emergence of low cost countries as Auto producers. It is interesting to compare the import tariff should we try and send a car into one of these so called emerging countries……India 60% tariff + duty of up to a further 50%; Russia 48%; Brazil 35%, Malaysia 30%; China 43% (25% + 18% VAT). These countries are all now importing cars to Australia (at 5% or some at Zero).
• I find it interesting that the likes of China, who are now the largest Auto producing nation in the World (18 million cars/trucks produced per year and growing), with the World's second largest economy, is seen as an 'emerging' player in Automotive and can therefore justify 25% Tariffs + 18% VAT for imported cars.

So what about co-investments or 'hand-outs' our Government gives the Auto sector as some press label it?

• The annual investment from our Government into the Australian Auto sector hovers around $500 - $600 million per annum. With 23 million people in Australia, that equates to between $18 - 25 per person per year of tax payer money to help attract investment into future Auto production here.
• This economic support requires the sector to more than match these investments, so it’s certainly not all one way, hence the term co-investment.

What surprises many is that this is extremely low versus the rest of the Auto making world.

• In Germany the amount is $95 per person per annum;
• in the USA it is $260 per person per annum;
• France is $150 per person per annum……and the list goes on

It is a fact that Australia not only has the lowest effective Tariff rates in the Auto making world but it also has the lowest Government co-investment per capita.

Now combine these two factors above with an Australian dollar that historically averages $0.72 to the USD and is now 40 - 45% higher, making imports 40% more competitive and exports 40% less competitive) and it is pretty obvious why Australian produced vehicle volumes are in decline.

The net effect is that we have the most open Auto market in the world

• Did you know that more vehicle brands and models are on sale in Australia than any other country in the world (~64 brands at last count, with over 240 model variants to choose from)?
• By comparison in the USA, where they sell about 14 million cars/trucks per year (versus our 1 million), there are only 33 brands on sale! That is 14 times the amount of sales but only half the number of brands !
• 20 Years ago in Australia there were 48 brands and only 97 model variants to choose from.

So there's the Playing Field at present - far from level globally!

I put it to you that simply more of the same approach will yield the same trend we have been seeing for the last 20 years.

Things need to change - but what things?

So, should we just raise Tariff's?
• Well, my view is that, with the exception of cutting some slack for genuinely emerging countries, in a very small manufacturing market like Australia, tariffs should at least be reciprocated .That is, I have no problem scaling down to zero - as long as everyone else is doing the same. But clearly they are not. With the onset of the GFC, many nations chose to freeze their tariff positions, and in fact some (like Brazil), actually raised them to offset the effect of their high currency. Reciprocity (except for genuine emerging countries) - you can't get fairer than that. If it is 10% + 19% VAT for us to get an Aussie car into Germany, then we should have the same for German cars to Australia……Engine levy’s of 50 – 80% on Thailand cars; 25 + 18% = 43% for Chinese cars; 10% for Japanese cars etc.
• Let's have FTA's – not Free Trade Agreements BUT Fair Trade Agreements!

• One politician argued with me that this just raises the price of cars for Australians
• NO it doesn't - if you buy an Aussie made car …… and that is the point !
• YES it does - if you buy an imported car. However, a 5% increase in Tariff on a $35k car is a $1750 increase…….and this pales into insignificance when compared to the savings that we should be getting from the Aussie dollar appreciating 40% in the last 5 years!
• If we then continue to buy 850,000 imported cars, an average 5% increase in Tariff (back to a 10% average like most other mature Auto making countries) on an average $35,000 car, would raise Government revenue by ~$1.2 billion - which I'm sure we can all think of some good ways to spend......like improving the co-investment in Automotive to competitive levels.

As right and fair as I think reciprocity is, the likelihood of Governments altering the tariff path is slim......

So what else can be done?

• Well, here are 3 things.....

• 1) Government fleets
• Did you know the Federal, State and Local Governments + fully funded Government bodies purchased 60,000 vehicles in 2011 with taxpayer monies (down from ~100,000 in 2004 as we've tighten recent spending)
• Of these 60,000 vehicles, only 19,772 were Australian made !
• In analysing the data further, Federal Government procured about 44% local vehicles; The Vic and SA State Governments do a reasonable job (at ~70%). NSW, QLD and WA are poor at 32%, 20% and 17% respectively. Local Councils take the (poor) cake at 16%.
• An economist tried to tell me it was because Australian cars are too expensive or did not meet the Green requirements
• Well, it costs no more to purchase a Holden Cruze than a Hyundai i30 or a Mazda 3……or to purchase a Falcon EcoLPG or Toyota Camry or Holden Commordore than a Honda Accord or a Hyundai Sonata……so it is not price.
• And local products are now just as 'Green' as any imported car - we now make LPG Falcons and Commodores, diesel Cruze and Territory, Hybrid Camry, 4 cylinder Falcon…..there is NO 'Green' excuse not to buy Australian for Government fleets.
• Now, there are some special purpose vehicles that we don't make here - for example, the Police in the Northern Territory need full FWD capable vehicles - but let me be generous and say these special purpose cars may make up 25% of the 60,000 total procured……so ~45,000 vehicles (minimum) of the annual 60,000 purchased should be local made products.
• At 220,000 vehicles produced here, an increase in Government fleet purchase from ~20,000 cars to 45,000 cars (25,000 improvement) is an 11% improvement to our Australian production total………our industry would kill for that!
• and an 11% improvement in volume should create thousands of jobs!

• 2) Safety
• Did you know that of the 1 million cars sold here in 2011, ~30% (that's approximately ~300,000 for the mathematicians in the room) did not meet the 5-Star ANCAP safety rating.
• Every Australian made car meet the 5-Star ANCAP safety rating.
• The cost of all road accidents in Australia is estimated (by the department of infrastructure) at $18 billion/year
• So, why don't we put a penalty on new cars that don't meet 5 Star - say $2500 for each star below 5…..so a 3-Star vehicle would attract a $5000 levy.
• This would discourage purchases of less safe vehicles.
• And just a 5% improvement in the accident costs (through prevention and/or minimising injury) would mean almost $1 billion per year would be saved, not to mention the revenue generated from the levy.
• It would also have the potential effect of shrinking the number of brands and model variants - with people moving to safer (and perhaps local) models.

• And finally 3) Gaseous Fuels
• Australia is a net importer of Petrol / Oil.
• Despite our very high dollar, making importing cheaper, Petrol this morning rose to ~$1.64 per litre
• Many experts are projecting by 2020, petrol in Australia will be around $6/litre.
• Now, did you know that Australia is sitting on the 12th largest natural gas reserve in the world?
• and if we converted every car to run on compressed natural gas (CNG) in Australia, with our projected population growth, we would have enough of our own current known reserves to last 90 years!
• The current equivalent per litre cost is between 19 - 26 cents!
• Compared to a Petrol engine, CNG delivers 40% less CO2, 80% less CO and 90% less NO.
• It leads to lower maintenance, is quieter and safer
• In 1996, there were 1 million CNG cars in the world. In 2011 there are 14.8 million......so the global market is growing.
• Now, CNG is not LPG……LPG is derived from Oil and is liquefied (hence the 'L'). CNG is compressed natural gas and its only downside is that it takes up more space than Petrol or LPG.
• Many buses in Sydney already use CNG. Cars and Taxi's in India, Brazil, Argentina, China, Iran etc are using CNG. Trains in the Napa Valley in the USA.
• But we can't just flick a switch and move to CNG.
• So, my view is we need to get people in Australia used to using gaseous fuels….the technology has come a very long way - in fact the Falcon LPG vehicle is more powerful than its Petrol brother and I would defy anyone to pick the difference in smoothness or refinement - it also costs less to run than many small 4 cylinder cars……so let's have Government offer huge incentives for gaseous fuel cars. It can be justified under the banner of 'Green', as even LPG is far cleaner than Petrol.
• I think the incentive should be twofold (1) a large rebate, say $5000 from Government for dedicated factory fit Gaseous fuel vehicles and (2) they be FBT exempt……the net effect of these two things would provide a very large shift toward Gaseous Fuel vehicles.
• Now here's the good bit for Australian industry……the only vehicles in the 64 brands and 240 models currently sold in Australia that are dedicated factory fit Gaseous fuel are the LPG Falcon and the LPG Commodore…..Aussie made, so we get more production volume, create more jobs, and we get a greener outcome.
• The relatively minor cost impost to Government could be covered by the revenue generated by the safety levy and/or a tariffs initiative
• We then need to shift future Government research funds toward CNG technology. Given our natural reserves, why not become a global leader in CNG technology and a niche global export producer of CNG vehicles - the export markets would be large.
• In my view we have to build industries and business not just around the skills and passion of the people, but around strategic benefits we have as a Country - and we are sitting on one in CNG.

So, in summary, what I think we can do to change the trend is:

(1) we need Fair Trading Agreements - it can't get any fairer than reciprocity
(2) Our tax payer funds MUST be directed towards locally produced purchases for Government fleets - especially where there is no cost impost and no longer any 'Green' rationale not to
(3) We should take a stand on Safety and not allow (relatively) unsafe vehicles to be sold here without significant penalty
(4) We need to reduce our oil dependence and use our naturally abundant resources to our advantage.


Plus a bit more about Holden

Australia's Auto Industry - The Facts


Since the announcement on April 8 that Holden would be restructuring Holden Vehicle Operations in South Australia and Engineering in Victoria,
there has been much public, political and media debate around Australia’s automotive industry.




The rest of the world believes in supporting their local car makers:


• 19 of the G20 countries have an automotive manufacturing industry, and the one that doesn’t, Saudi Arabia, wants one.
• Most automotive manufacturing countries assist their local industry by way of high tariffs and/or incentives from government, such as financial assistance and tax concessions.
• For example, in the UK, in the last 24 months, with assistance from government grants, $10 billion of foreign direct investment by multi*national auto companies has been injected
into the local auto industry. In 2012, they made 1.5 million cars in the UK. In the next three years, that will be over two million cars.
• This investment creates a booming auto sector, supported by contemporary, competitive government policy, without any debate about whether or not it’s the right thing to do.


• Research shows that contrary to popular belief, Australia’s support for its auto industry is one of the lowest in the world – only $18 per capita compared with $90 in Germany,
$265 in the US and $334 in Sweden (Source: Sapere Research Group 2011).


Car manufacturing in Australia matters to the economy:


We say car manufacturing in Australia matters - by building cars in Australia, Holden has contributed over $32 billion to the Australian economy during the last 12 years.
Over the same period, Holden received $1.8 billion in Government assistance.
This represents an eighteen times return on investment in economic activity.
There are also enormous spill-over benefits into the wider economy, especially through R&D and the substantial spend Holden makes with Australian suppliers.


On average:
• Holden receives $150 million per year from the Australian Government.
In any same year, Holden in turn spends:
o $490 million on capital, engineering and design investment;
o $490 million on wages (of which $120 million returns to the Government as income tax );
o A massive $1.75 billion spend to Australian supplier businesses


Holden would not make this same economic contribution without locally manufacturing cars.


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2013, 01:42:15 pm »
Totally agree - we need to rattle the cages of our politicians - we should cut & paste this letter/speech and send it to them stating that we want some of the above points implemented.
We want Ford, and we want Holden to stay here manufacturing cars - if they were cheaper than a Mazda 3 we'd buy more of them.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2013, 01:50:01 pm »
I really feel sorry for all those that are currently employed there. The next 3years are going to be so unsettling for all involved.

The roll on effect of this will be massive, not only to the employees, but also their local communities and the attached supporting local supplier market.

To my mind, Dick Johnston, said it best on the radio today……Quote: (words to the effect of) Unfortunately it was inevitable the signs have been there for awhile now, no one should really be surprised !!…….we just can’t compete with the wages being paid in Asian countries that manufacture vehicles or any other goods for that matter. America itself, is also trying to come to grips with this problem as well.


I reckon GMH will also follow the same path as well …now the pony has bolted from the stable !

Such a sad day indeed !!

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2013, 02:02:30 pm »
As a country we bring it on our selves, we did not try sending the cars to Asia we just tried advertising our cars to each other, trying like fat little pigs to get each other to buy another new car even though our country is full to the brim of available safe cars, while a great portion of Asia live like derelict scum. It seems to me like everything I learned in Economics was to pass an exam but is never used properly, outside of our universities. Y = CGINX , The balance of trade and the balance of payments all fell by the wayside but when the worlds politicians decide, there is never enough arguments to stop the wars, we find plenty of experts then.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2013, 02:06:30 pm »
I certainly don’t want to become a panic merchant but ……… This also makes me to ask another question for consideration by the brains trust here …..With regards to what Ford may do down the track.

Purely speculation I know !!

My understanding is they intend to just  start importing some of the models they produce for the USA market here after 2016 ----I wonder then , what effect if any , will it have on our classic car market here ?

For example : if they started importing the new Mustangs here ...and lets say they sold them for around $50 – 80K  depending on what’s under the hood, would that have any impact on the classic market values ???? ……………just putting it out there for comment?

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Ford is pulling out of Australia
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2013, 02:23:28 pm »
There are two threads running on this topic, any complaints if we merge them into one thread?