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289 to 347 stroker kit
« on: January 08, 2013, 10:07:34 am »
hi all
thinking about refreshing the 289 in my 67.
was wondering if you can use a 347 stroker kit on a 289 or does it have to be a 302 block?
any info would be great.
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 05:59:56 pm »
Yes you can definately stroke a 289 to 347 ....Seen it done many times.

Make sure you use a reputable engine builder that has experience in this field and I do not recommend the cheap stroker kits on ebay.......Go for a reputable brand such as Scat ...etc

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 11:15:53 pm »
One of my engines was an orig 66 289 block with a scat stroker kit.  Just need to relieve the bottom of the block coz of longer rods/ stroke .. No big deal. I would only recommend one engine builder.  He is an engine builder and NOT a mechanic who builds engines...  I found out the hard way about that...  Can PM his number If you interested.  Is in south east suburbs. 

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 10:12:07 am »
hi all
thinking about refreshing the 289 in my 67.
was wondering if you can use a 347 stroker kit on a 289 or does it have to be a 302 block?
any info would be great.
thanks


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Early blocks are the same, except a 302 has 302 cast in the valley. Biggest issue will be what oversize your block maybe bored to already. It may not be useable. I'd just buy a 2nd hand standard bore, later roller cam engine and start from there. That way you can keep driving the car as well while you build the engine. The bottom of bores need notching regardless on any 347 for the rod bolts.
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 03:59:31 pm »
thanks guys for the info.
shaun, what is the max oversize you can go on the bore for these kits?
i dont know the history of my engine.

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 04:54:52 pm »
To get 347 CUI it's an 030 over bore, most US reco engines are 030 which is the issue. So if yours is recoed some time it the past I suspect it would be this size. You can go to 040 safely most of time with a sonic test.

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 05:16:22 pm »
most US reco engines are 030 which is the issue.

Is there a reason for this? I've noticed it was a common theme with them.

My block is a virgin bore but they seem to only want to sell a 030 kit. I'd much prefer to go to a 010 or worst case, 020.
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2013, 06:54:51 pm »
Hey Ash KB do a .020 over piston an ring kit, .010 over seems to be thin on the ground..This is for your 428?? the only other ones listed are 4.132 sealed power pistons only and std 4.130 pistons

http://www.summitracing.com/search/department/engines-components/section/pistons-piston-rings/part-type/piston-and-ring-kits/make/ford/engine-size/7-0l-428/bore-in/4-150-in
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2013, 07:22:21 pm »
Hey pegasus,
Yes, my 428. It's a standard bore and it is not that bad. There's only a slight lip and very little marks. 030 just seems to excessive of a jump to me. I reckon I could get away with 010 but if 020 was more suitable, then so be it. I need to get block looked at before I make the call.

I was looking at getting my parts from Survival Motorsport, if you look they all start at 030 except Diamond who do a 025.

http://www.survivalmotorsports.com/FEpistons.html

I just didn't understand why they started in a high step up from standard.
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 09:39:55 am »
Hey pegasus,
Yes, my 428. It's a standard bore and it is not that bad. There's only a slight lip and very little marks. 030 just seems to excessive of a jump to me. I reckon I could get away with 010 but if 020 was more suitable, then so be it. I need to get block looked at before I make the call.

I was looking at getting my parts from Survival Motorsport, if you look they all start at 030 except Diamond who do a 025.

http://www.survivalmotorsports.com/FEpistons.html

I just didn't understand why they started in a high step up from standard.
Till you measure it you don't know, may get away with a hone only. Everyone is pretty quick to rebore engines when they often don't need it.

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2013, 05:12:23 pm »
Are you wanting a 347 to make bigger power or just for the sake of it.  Reason I ask is my good mate just finished his 289 with AFR Alloys and the thing made 420hp... He has gone to a bigger carbie and a spacer and has picked up another 20hp with some more timing and tuning.  And NO the dyno is not trigger happy. He was going to go 347 and decided not to.  The thing is tuff as. Engine is in the car an he is stoked.  More than
enough power in 2800lbs stang.  Running a crane solid and it sounds strong to... It will cost you 3k to purchase the stroker kit and machine the  block approx ... That 289 has made just as much if not more power than those crate 347 from the USA... And it shows its power in the car...It made impressive torque figures to... All boils down to who builds the engine.  Engine builder built similar combo 10 years ago and made 460hp plus... If I had met him when I first bought my stang I would have built the same combo and the car would be a perfect tuff little street car.  That engine in the car should go 11.80 with the right diff / stall conv...  Just offering my opinion.
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2013, 06:15:47 pm »
I agree a correctly built and "tuned" 289/302 with AFRs/Trickflows and the right cam, can break 400hp with out a heap of trouble. Not sure how you save $3k not fitting a stroker kit to, it though, a Scat kits is not that expensive, even if you go for a 4340 crank. Time you buy pistons, tidy up the factory rods and crank etc, It would more like $1500 extra at best. You still have to balance it all the same, apart from notching the bore skirts for the rods, thats about the only extra work.

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2013, 07:04:07 pm »
If you stroke it then you want either studs in main caps or a girdle. Tunnel bore mains to do studs plus I wouldn't buy hyper pistons I would only use forged... By the time you do all the machining and relieve block.  Close to 3k total... Run an engine lean on hypers or casties flat out an see what happens. Forged for the sake of a few hundred more is insurance.  I have been shown two hypers in engines that leaned off coz of bad tuning... The tops of pistons came off like a top hat.
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2013, 07:21:50 pm »
He Buttsy, Ive got a 5.0 engine out of a 93 Fairlane, less all the efi stuff, would be perfect for building a stroker.  $350 and its yours, I got it to go the stroker route but I dont really need it now as I have a few others stashed away and this one is just taking up space in the shed, pick up from Longford.

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2013, 07:42:54 pm »
If you stroke it then you want either studs in main caps or a girdle. Tunnel bore mains to do studs plus I wouldn't buy hyper pistons I would only use forged... By the time you do all the machining and relieve block.  Close to 3k... Run an engine lean on hypers or casties flat out an see what happens. Forged for the sake of a few hundred more is insurance.  I have been shown two hypers in engines that leaned off coz of bad tuning... The tops of pistons came off like a top hat.

If you are building a 420hp+ 289/302  you do all that anyway. Maybe not the girdle but certainly the rest. I still don't see where the cost is. My 289 has all that, but the girdle, ARP studs are cheap They are llike $100, and when you resize the stock rods you fit arp bolts anyway. The block prep  and machining is the same save for the reliefs for the long rods, sometimes a stroker crank needs some mallory metal to balance them properly but that not much extra. I don't see it, when you buy full stroker kit, you normally don't have to resize the rods cause they are new, you check them of course, buy rod bolts, or grind the crank etc, You still hone the main tunnel, which you do anyway on a proper rebuild.
 I'm only running a 289 flat tappet with AFR heads, cause I had it left over from an other job, but it will make way for 347 bottom end once the car is fully sorted, at Mt Cotton hill climb. I'll swap the heads and manifold over with some new springs to suit what ever roller cam I use.

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2013, 08:08:25 pm »
SORRY..... I STAND CORRECTED..... SHOULD HAVE STATED 3K COST TO BUY AND PREP BLOCK FOR STROKER... SORRY SHAUNP...... POSTED ON IPHONE AND NEVER READ BACK WHAT I WROTE BEFORE I SAVED... :thumb:
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 08:31:38 pm »
No drama, mate. that's correct if you buy a 347, 4340 forged crank, forged pistons, rods etc and prep the block $3k is about right, what save on is machining your old crank and rods, rod bolts etc, was my point, the rest  of the work is the  same in real terms except for taking a die grinder to the bore skirts. Cheaper if you get the Scat 9000 cast crank which is fine for most people, after all the factory crank is cast. They shouldn't go lean, this is cuased by people taking a holley out of the box an bolting it on and just driving it, you can't do that, even though most people do and get away with it on a stock / mild engine. With a forged piston the top won't burn as easy or come off if they are lean, what they do is expand and tighten up below the oil ring, and pick up. Normally the top coming off a piston is due to pre-ignition, again, pure tuning in that the advance curve is wrong, crap fuel etc. I had alot of trouble with a blown, injected 383 SBC taking the tops off forged pistons, this was a combination of poor fueling due the mainifold runner lenght and pre ignition as a result. Manifold change sorted it. Even so it made 700 at the wheels at 80% throttle tyres smoking with the B&M manifold that we welded injector bosses into.
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2013, 09:29:43 am »
Tuff combo for 383... Luv the way you aerodynamically stuck the gauge to the window.  Should patten that design and sell it backl to autometer mate... What was it in.  Tilt front and second pic a bit hazy from smoke. 

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2013, 09:41:58 am »
Looks like an E type jag to me ,about a 71 .

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2013, 09:43:02 am »
Heres what happens to El Cheapo "strokers" -- and some good advice :- www.clubcobra.com/forums/australian-cobra-club/117168-thinking-updating-427-cui-3.html

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2013, 10:03:53 am »
Strokers are fine if you do it right ,not a cheap kit and the block has to be a bloody good one .From say a 302 to a 347 you pick up around 50 HP from the extra cu in size . A good 302 you can get 400 hp easy ,right carby ,intake ,cam and most important a real good set of heads ,so no need to stroke .Heads are where you make the hp up .Over the last 30 years carbys have not changed ,intakes ,cams only a little when not talking roller ,less compression in engines and now huge hp because of cyl heads . Put your money into a good set of heads .

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2013, 05:04:52 pm »
Tuff combo for 383... Luv the way you aerodynamically stuck the gauge to the window.  Should patten that design and sell it backl to autometer mate... What was it in.  Tilt front and second pic a bit hazy from smoke.

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2013, 09:39:25 pm »
There is all this talk of Horse Power but no one mentions Torque! torque is drivability! To get that sort of power you need to rev the bejesus out of it.
The old saying...Horse power sells cars..Torque wins races.
My 347 is a 289 block from a 68 fairlane, needed no notching or girdle, revs nicely to 7500, a good engine builder will make the world of difference, but so will a good combination.
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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2013, 10:53:57 pm »
I spin my 347 to 6200 all day for years with no problems ,does not make power after that ,but goes ok and drives like a stocko .  Though i would up the carby ,cam and hi stall and a shift kit  and lower the diff gears to give it some balls ,but really where can you give it hell without the cops taking the car ,not into going miles to a race track .Still is a quick little mustang 12.3 at 114 mph only once just to see what it could do . Took it up to 6200 in top gear once around 141 mph .     :pepper:

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Re: 289 to 347 stroker kit
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2013, 10:24:28 pm »
There is all this talk of Horse Power but no one mentions Torque! torque is drivability! To get that sort of power you need to rev the bejesus out of it.
The old saying...Horse power sells cars..Torque wins races.
My 347 is a 289 block from a 68 fairlane, needed no notching or girdle, revs nicely to 7500, a good engine builder will make the world of difference, but so will a good combination.
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What kind of cam / carbie are you running?? I've just finished by stroker and it goes in the car next weekend, i've got a crower 15314 cam, Forged eagle crank, marhle pistons, h-beam rods. i'm using the stock heads however they've been ported to allow for much bigger values, just curious to how mine should go.