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Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« on: December 13, 2012, 08:23:41 pm »
Hi all, this is my first post to this forum so be gentle. :smile:

I have recently acquired a 69 Mach 1 with a 351C 2v. The motor is paired with an FMX box and the car has AC an PS. I have visited numerous US sites after finding that header manufacturers over there don't seem to make systems for this combo. Some US forum members suggest that a set of Hookers (eg 6913s) will fit but may need a bit of gentle persuasion to do so. Most manufacturers of full length systems state that their products will only fit a 351C with a C4. Looking at the Patriot site suggests that their 8407 or 8412 might fit but the word out there seems to be mixed. Without going into a long list of possibilities, does anyone know for certain what product is likely to be a good fit before I head to a local shop and have a set custom made.  :ouch:

If this topic has been done and dusted in the past, please drop me the link as I can't find any reference to it here.

Season's Greetings to you all. Have a safe and happy pony driving holiday.

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Dave
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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2012, 08:50:11 pm »
They are all a shit to fit , a pair of shorties are most likely the go ,also when looking pipes up look at 1970 as 69s dont come with 351c .

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2012, 08:55:39 pm »
Yep, I've been 'assuming' a 1970 for my extractor/header search. Re the '69s not having Clevos, I read somewhere recently that a small number of the last of the '69s had the first of the Cs. Can't confirm the accuracy of the statement but it certainly adds to all the confusion.

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2012, 10:00:35 pm »
351c in 69 not to my understanding as not even early 1970 mach 1 had them ,my 70 mach 1 has a 351w .my last 70 mach 1 was later and 351c ,owned four 69s all 351w .but who knows what they did .ps why do you want extractors ,and i had mine custom made 4 my 1970 mach 1 with 351c .

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2012, 10:09:33 pm »
For no other reason than to get more efficiency out of the engine. I used to own a 1990 MX5 (yeah, I know; a hairdresser's car). After putting extractors and a system on it, it purred and really wound out. Although the 1600 engine didn't have a heap of Kws, adding the extractor and pipes gave it a good 10% extra (coupled with a few extra tricks). So why not do the same to the Mustang.

By the way, I still own a 2007 MX5 but I am not, repeat not, a hairdresser. :lol:

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Dave
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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2012, 10:42:02 pm »
The extractors will be a lot of pain for little gain and cost a packet .Is the engine hotted up much ,how about just a nice twin 2 1/2 system ,unless you have 450 HP plus and rev it over 6 grand .

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2012, 10:49:39 pm »
Hotted up . . .hmmmm! It has the standard exhaust manifold and 2" system. On the intake side, however, it has an Edelbrock performer intake and 4 barrel carbie. MSD ignition is the only other non-standard fit. I'll certainly be going for 2.5" pipes.

Decisions, decisions and at this time of year too.
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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2012, 08:40:59 am »
Its close to std then ,your choice weather to spend the big bucks . I would be heat proof painting the exhaust manifolds ,what ever colour you like to look nice ,then the twin 2 1/2 system nice mufflers for a good v8 sound .What carby are you running .

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2012, 04:04:35 pm »
The intake manifold is an Edelbrock Performer LB 351-2v and the carbie is an Edelbrock Performer 600 (I think) CFM 4 barrel. It's unlikely to be a 750 and it's certainly not a 500. Regarding the extractors, I received a message from Hooker Headers this morning (actually the parent company - Holley) that stated that a set of 6913s will fit, assuming the engine is in its stock location (yes), the exhaust ports are stock and located as original (yes) and that the frame has not sagged at the shock towers (?). A set from Summit Racing will set me back US$199 plus around US$65 for reducers and power steering bracket. Add to that a 2.5" stainless Flowmaster system and there's another US$480. Postage is around US$460 so all up, the cost would be around $AUS1200 +/-

I think I'll get some local prices for comparison purposes.
Dave

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2012, 04:49:41 pm »
Dave, have you got any photos of your new black jade beast?

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2012, 05:02:25 pm »
The only pic I have is pretty dull. It's in the shop having the power steering serviced right now. When I pick it up on Monday and take it over the pits in Canberra for its 'christening' as an Australian registered car, I'll take a few snaps. If I can convince the inspectors to let me underneath, I'll get some all-rounders/unders too - or maybe I'll smile nicely and ask them to take a few for me. Either way, stand by and I'll post some next week.
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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2012, 05:48:06 pm »
Yes, some pics would be good..

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2012, 06:26:58 pm »
The guys at ACT rego are alright these days. They actually took me underneath to show me something that wasn't quite right on mine. Had never had them do this before over the many years of going there with various road and rally cars.

Don't be surprised to have about 7 of them looking over the car.

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2012, 12:34:00 pm »
Hi GLENN70

Found the source of the '69 coming with 351 Clevos. It's a piece written by KAR Auto Group in the US (supplied my repro door furniture). Here is the quote:

"virtually all 1969 351 V-8 engines were Windsors and virtually all 1970 351 V-8 engines were Clevelands. There are a few exceptions. Over the years we have seen a few 1969 Mustangs with factory installed Cleveland engines. By checking the build dates of these Cleveland 1969’s we found that in every case these Mustangs were produced in the last week or two of 1969 production when perhaps the factory ran out of Windsor engines. Conversely, we have also seen very early production 1970 Mustangs equipped with 351 V-8 Windsor engines. Again, perhaps the producing factory was using up their supply of Windsor engines before beginning Cleveland engine production. In either case we have found these to be very rare occurrences."

I took a look though my Mustang library too and found support for this opinion in Peter Henshaw's book, Mustang (Chartwell Books: NJ, 2005). In his chapter covering the '69, he states, "The mid-range cooking Mustangs used the 351-ci Windsor or Cleveland V8s".

While I always assumed that the '69 used Windsors only, I can see there may have been some crossovers in late69/early 70. My 351c is certainly after market as the Mach 1 was built in Mar '69. When I get her out of the shop, I will check the engine build date purely out of curiosity.

Anyway, just thought this was interesting.
Dave

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2012, 07:41:13 pm »
The car is booked in for inspection on Friday morning . . .  first day of annual leave (wooohoooo). I'll get some pics then. By the way, I've gone for Hooker Headers as these seem to be the only off-the-shelf extractors that will fit my engine/transmission combo (based on my research). I know that some here don't think much of them but I'll take the chance and see what happens. These will be coupled with a set of 2.5" stainless Flowmaster pipes.
Dave

1969 Black Jade Mach 1 with a 351C, 3v closed chamber heads, Comp Cams and lifters, FMX trans with 2500 stall converter, LSD, Edelbrock Performer 600 CFM, Sanderson ceramic shorty extractors and Flowmaster American Thunder exhaust.

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2012, 08:41:22 pm »
Thats good ,let us know how they fit ,and how easy ,hope they dont sit to low .Hookers are known to sit quite low ,but mainly when you have lowed the car .

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2012, 09:29:34 pm »
I've heard that too. I was going to put a new set of front coils on that would drop the front end by about 2.5cm but an now reconsidering this option as I don't want to drive around trailing a line of sparks from under the engine bay.
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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2012, 09:37:23 pm »
I have hookers on my 66 with a 347 and they sit low . I lowered it but the pipes kept hitting on speed bumps so i put it back to original ,now no problems .

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2012, 10:27:59 am »
Good luck with the fit - when I got the latest 69 the extractors fitted were shoe-horned in and had rusted to peices where they were knocking on the towers.

I have a 351w with a 4spd manual, nothing I could find would fit - I opted for a set of JBA shorty extractors - fit with HEAPS of clearance and just had a set of pipe made up with a H-pipe to my already fitted 2.5" system = happy!

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2012, 04:41:45 pm »
I'll let you know in due course how I go with the hookers. If they are an epic fail, shorties will be the go. I've heard good reports about the JBAs.
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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2012, 05:28:07 pm »
I'll let you know in due course how I go with the hookers. If they are an epic fail, shorties will be the go. I've heard good reports about the JBAs.

I drove all over California talking to many people and they all said JBA were a great product... So I went directly to them!

Had a good chat with the bloke that makes them and you can tell they are good product just by looking at the finish.  Did cost me a couple of hundred $ more than some other shorties but they guaranteed me a quality product and 100% fit.

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2013, 09:11:15 am »
Just had a call from the exhaust shop. The hooker extractors fitted. It's a very tight fit on the LH side but they are in and do fit around the FMX box. Will get it back tomorrow then for the big test. Am taking a before and after video for comparison andf may post it up for your viewing pleasure . . . if is sounds good.
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1969 Black Jade Mach 1 with a 351C, 3v closed chamber heads, Comp Cams and lifters, FMX trans with 2500 stall converter, LSD, Edelbrock Performer 600 CFM, Sanderson ceramic shorty extractors and Flowmaster American Thunder exhaust.

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2013, 06:43:32 pm »
Just picked up the Mach 1 from the exhaust shop. What a difference the extractors and pipes make. Although the car is in need of a serious tune up (scheduled for Monday), the difference in pick up is astounding and the sound mind blowing. I should have done this when I was 20 years younger. I'm putting together a before and after video and will post it to YouTube when finished.

I can recommend Ed at Combined Brake and Exhaust in Queanbeyan. He did a great job fitting a big system into a small space, despite some swearing and frustration.

Cheers

Dave
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1969 Black Jade Mach 1 with a 351C, 3v closed chamber heads, Comp Cams and lifters, FMX trans with 2500 stall converter, LSD, Edelbrock Performer 600 CFM, Sanderson ceramic shorty extractors and Flowmaster American Thunder exhaust.

2016 Deep Impact Blue GT manual with Roush exhaust.

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2013, 10:06:01 pm »
Here's the before and after link on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/Dt69eSDKhn8

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Re: Extractors for a 351c 2v with FMX trans in a 69 Mach 1
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2013, 10:59:42 pm »
Hey Dave, the Flowmasters sound great - give it a bit of bark.  :thumb: