Hey Echo we'll probably be chastised for this. :+ As a young teen many many years ago I could never afford the good s@$t. Motomags,Gold stems,3 piece" ALLOY " cranks etc etc.As an old fart now going on 43 I still can't afford it,especially with all these collectors driving prices up for 30 yr old parts.My bike of choice back then was the Madison.I still ride these days, u2u me if you want to talk some more