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Technical & General Discussion Area => General Chat Room => Topic started by: 69ISH on September 03, 2015, 08:22:27 pm
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There is a GCMCA test and tune coming up and he has put up a challenge for the above mentioned people stating that he will be at least 1/2 a second and 5 Mph quicker than the rest of us.
Apparently the most purplest car will also get a trophy provided by Glenn.
Good fun coming up.
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I wish I could be there!
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Better be pics Rodney! :burnout:
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Better still, video.
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I said WHAT , as if . What you and Ed in your big 408 cu inch engines against Ryan and myself in our little 289 based engines :grin: what a joke ,of cause you guys will win . First Rodney this is the 1st I have herd of this ,so does Eddy and Ryan know about this or are you waiting for them to read this also . Next you will be saying our 2 cars are lighter than your 2 ,well what I say to that is go on a diet :lmao:
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This is going to be entertaining reading for a while.
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Yes I recon and I can't wait for the other two to find out about this . All the cars will be very close in a drag race that's for sure .
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The "ole" days run for pinks..
Av gas helps slow cars :grin:
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Rodney has got big 275 x15 M/T. ET street tyres now ,ED has big 255 x15 M/T ET streets , me little 215x14 :cry: :lmao: Ryan has 235 I think . Waiting for 69ish to reply :grin:
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I said WHAT , as if . What you and Ed in your big 408 cu inch engines against Ryan and myself in our little 289 based engines :grin: what a joke ,of cause you guys will win . First Rodney this is the 1st I have herd of this ,so does Eddy and Ryan know about this or are you waiting for them to read this also . Next you will be saying our 2 cars are lighter than your 2 ,well what I say to that is go on a diet :lmao:
You didn't know, that's funny you were the one who insisted on me posting up the challenge after having dinner at my house last night and then you were handed my tablet so you could read my post.
Now if you deny that you are an absolute liar.
(The wording in the post may not have been what you were expecting but it was definitely a challenge you put out to Ryan, Eddie and Myself)
Rodney has got big 275 x15 M/T. ET street tyres now ,ED has big 255 x15 M/T ET streets , me little 215x14 :cry: :lmao: Ryan has 235 I think .
No excuses now as you have been saying for years now the bull sh!t stops when the flag drops.
I will get you a walking frame to go with your 3.0 centre your putting in your car after the test and tune. :ouch:
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I don't remember anything ,you must have given me beer last night , I know nothing :lmao: .
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This is getting better,Glenn peel off the bowls sticker and remove the hat as it is a weight disadvantage.I have a set of Traction Masters if you need them.
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I have a set in my garage and sold a set to Ryan . I also sold ED70 a pair of chassis connectors and Rodney his new racing wheels . And don't pick on my sticker or hat ,next will be my nice blanket .
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Glenn I reckon a couple of nice embroidered pillows would look nice on the parcel shelf too :lmao: :bolt:
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I have a spare noddy headed dog and some dunking birds if anyone out there remembers them.Lets do the whole Cheech and Chong thing.
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One for Rodney,since fitting your Shaker hood scoop it would be only correct that you install a dancing Elvis on the dash to get all that shakin happening.Back to the audience
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I said WHAT , as if . What you and Ed in your big 408 cu inch engines against Ryan and myself in our little 289 based engines :grin: what a joke ,of cause you guys will win . First Rodney this is the 1st I have herd of this ,so does Eddy and Ryan know about this or are you waiting for them to read this also . Next you will be saying our 2 cars are lighter than your 2 ,well what I say to that is go on a diet :lmao:
Think I'm just trying to catch up now :thud:
Lol I think Rodney has been watching to much of that street outlaws show haha :grin: :lmao:
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I bet Rodney is giving his new wheels and tyres a big KISS about now
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I won't say much but after tonight I know how much of a difference they make, let's just say it will be extremely close between Glenn, myself and Eddy but Ryan will be left eating our dust.
In other words get your A$$ into gear Ryan and spend a few dollars and fix your suspension and make the bl@@dy thing safe.
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I won't say much but after tonight I know how much of a difference they make, let's just say it will be extremely close between Glenn, myself and Eddy but Ryan will be left eating our dust.
In other words get your A$$ into gear Ryan and spend a few dollars and fix your suspension and make the bl@@dy thing safe.
Ha how am I involved in this!!! It's safe tucked away in my garage doing nothing with my other mustangs :grin:
Just no time to pull it out to work on it since the last run. Got the early spindles for it just looking at what brakes to buy for it now. Thinking willwood
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The clock is ticking ,and you are running out of time 26th is the day .
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Ha how am I involved in this!!! It's safe tucked away in my garage doing nothing with my other mustangs :grin:
Just no time to pull it out to work on it since the last run. Got the early spindles for it just looking at what brakes to buy for it now. Thinking willwood
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If you have working brakes, leave them alone or you are asking for trouble.
Just have a look at how many brake issue threads there are or even ask Shaun and he will tell you how many he deals with.
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If you have working brakes, leave them alone or you are asking for trouble.
Just have a look at how many brake issue threads there are or even ask Shaun and he will tell you how many he deals with.
Can't avoid it to fix my problem xy brakes won't fit in early 65 mustang they need to be changed to fix my bump steer
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Ryan we need to jack up the front of your car and check it out ,bump steer is one thing but shaking to death over 80 mph /130 kph is another thing . The drag strip is smooth and straight . Bump steer is more of a problem over bumps ,but your car might be lifting high in the front and causing it . If your happy with the front brakes that are on it just get the arms bent by John green . Fitting mustang spindles is great but then you have to Change your brakes . Rodney and I will come over and check it out for you ,wont we Rodney .
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As to the challenge ,its only four mates with mustangs , and total street driven cars that go alright, so our times are nothing special or great . Except for Ryan , we are track proven with times from, 11.9 to 12.1 sort of thing ,not super quick . Rodney will be the one to beat .
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Bump steer wont make it shake it will make the toe change over bumps, it will be fine on straight flat road, it will toe when you leave the line but once it comes down it will be ok, shaking is another issue
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Bump steer wont make it shake it will make the toe change over bumps, it will be fine on straight flat road, it will toe when you leave the line but once it comes down it will be ok, shaking is another issue
It's not shaking it's snakeing down the line underpower at higher speeds eg can't keep the car going in a straight line. It pulls of the line Realy well.
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What do you mean snaking ? Do you mean pulling one way under power ? What happens when its doing it then you back off ,does it just go straight or tend to pull the other way .
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Think from memory under load it pulls to the left then right when u back of the gass it just goes straight.
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Put new rear springs in the back . If the left spring is weak it will bend and turn the car left ,back off and the car will go straight . Do both sides not just the left side .. Bump steer does not cause that problem ,even tho your car has bump steer .
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Can't see how that would do that with cal tracks in the back. I'm going to do my stub axels wheel alignment bigger sway bar. possibly new ball joints. I know the front springs are the originals
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If it leaves hard it could be bump steer as if the wheel come up it will indeed bump steer but should be ok or better once you get down the track, check it out and give it more caster, you want at least +3 deg at least, Jack it up and take a pic of what the wheels do,
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The track rods will stop axle tramp not the springs bending . How many leaf springs has it got and how old are they .
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If it leaves hard it could be bump steer as if the wheel come up it will indeed bump steer but should be ok or better once you get down the track, check it out and give it more caster, you want at least +3 deg at least, Jack it up and take a pic of what the wheels do,
Cars not at my place atm will have to dig it out of my grandparents place tomorrow. I know it gets a lot of front end lift in it when I put my foot down.
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Ok that will cause a bit of bump steer in 1st and a bit in 2 nd gear ,but not half or 3/4 way down the track . Rear springs .
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A cars that 'steers' at full noise on the strip could be quite a few things. If she's a stock leaf spring rear maybe check-
- Eye bolts and bushes/ shackles
-Axle housing U bolts and plates
- Bent axle housing
-Axle housing alignment
-Tyre pressures, condition or sizes
Can't guarantee it'll be any of these but have spent enough time drag racing with stock rear'd cars to suggest under power a significant amount of steering comes from the rear end. (more than you'd expect) A 'stockie' that steers left or right as speed increases says rear mis-alignment (rear end square to the chassis) or something is bent....more than anything else.
Just my 2c worth but hope it helps
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Layne
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I think that's all fine ,still think its just the rear springs .
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Hey Ryan only 2 weeks left for our race day . We are all waiting for your big day .
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Ryan have you done anything to diagnose what is wrong with your car cause you are running out of time.
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No haven't had time. Today I took it out to powercruise to open it up a bit of anything I've found more issues I don't Like. When going to third under load it gets stuck between third and fith gear and DOSENT go in any gear so I loose a lot of time trying to get third gear once it warms up a bit it gets a little better. Also when getting to 100mph it's running out of gas by third and fourth gear with my foot flat to the floor. sometimes it just made it. Over all everyone I raced out there it ran pretty good.
My shit luck today I lost two badges out on track and picked up a nasty stone chip up under my gard and cracked the paint.
Think I may need more fuel pressure or something along them lines. also got some weird oil leak can't seem to find where it's comming from. It stayed in a straight line today out on track.
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Ryan you didn't buy that box to go racing with (drag racing type gear changers) . They like a nice firm change into 3 rd gear not a fast flat change . Running a top grade oil will help ,ask mal about what oil to use ,and make sure the box is warm before trying to shift quick . No good for drag racing because you won't get the box up to temp . They are known for slow changers into 3 rd gear and some guys use very thin oil to help out . Running out of fuel from 100 mph ,maybe maybe not .
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Stone chip might have been your 347 badge and not a stone ?? What size are your fuel lines?
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Ryan you didn't buy that box to go racing with (drag racing type gear changers) . They like a nice firm change into 3 rd gear not a fast flat change . Running a top grade oil will help ,ask mal about what oil to use ,and make sure the box is warm before trying to shift quick . No good for drag racing because you won't get the box up to temp . They are known for slow changers into 3 rd gear and some guys use very thin oil to help out . Running out of fuel from 100 mph ,maybe maybe not .
Maybe if I change my shifter to a straight one might help. I'll have to ring mall and ask. Yes don't know what could cause it. It was just like it was shutting down or about to stall untill I slowed it down and the revs went down.
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Stone chip might have been your 347 badge and not a stone ?? What size are your fuel lines?
Could be I didn't see it bounce up there I more then likely thought it was a rock that flicked up under the gard from the tyre.
Just 5/16th standard line I'm useing
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Don't worry about the fuel pressure it should be ok . Because yours was a 6 cyl car you need to upgrade your whole fuel line from tank to carby . It will be 5/16 right through and you need to up it to 3/8 all the way and no bigger than that . Most manual gear boxes run a heavy gear oil for street use ,but for fast gear changers that's no good . Back in the day drag racing guys used auto trans fluid in top loaders ,but these days there are much better oils on the market . Double check your float levels on the carby also .
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Don't worry about the fuel pressure it should be ok . Because yours was a 6 cyl car you need to upgrade your whole fuel line from tank to carby . It will be 5/16 right through and you need to up it to 3/8 all the way and no bigger than that . Most manual gear boxes run a heavy gear oil for street use ,but for fast gear changers that's no good . Back in the day drag racing guys used auto trans fluid in top loaders ,but these days there are much better oils on the market . Double check your float levels on the carby also .
Glenn yes it was but that was all changed when I rebuilt the car years ago. I am running Dex111 auto trans fluid now in the box.
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You just told us you are still using the 5/16 line . So what line are you using .
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You just told us you are still using the 5/16 line . So what line are you using .
im sure it's got the right v8 line
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The right v8 fuel line what does that mean ? . You can get the small 5/16 line or the 3/8 line in and for mustangs 65/66 models . A&K codes use 3/8 lines C&T use 5/16 . You really need 3/8 from tank to carby with your engine . You are running a big 750 HP series holley and 6,000 plus revs so you need the fuel to keep up with it . Good fuel volume not high pressure . 6.5 psi max but 6 psi is nice .
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Ryan race day is getting closer ,and if you can race at power cruise you can give it a few runs down the 1/4 mile . Club day this Sunday are you coming .?
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Give us a call Glenn. I'll run it...
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No pressure on you mate :lmao: .
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Hey Rodney maybe we should call Ryan Mr NITROS :grin: Or Mr Nos :lmao: .
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Hey Rodney maybe we should call Ryan Mr NITROS :grin: Or Mr Nos :lmao: .
Well he tells me he has a fully forged bottom end. I feel he will split the block or melt the pistons but as they say you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
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Don't worry about what I'm doing just get yourself ready for Sunday :burnout: :thumb:
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Don't worry about what I'm doing just get yourself ready for Sunday :burnout: :thumb:
I am chickening :bag: out of Sunday but you can be there, I will also take wagers that Glenn or Ed won't be there either.
Saturday week if the weather prevails I will be there with Glenn and Ed if his stang is ready :grin:
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Well mr NITROS , where are you going on Sunday to race ? Can we come and watch . By the way our car show is now on the 1 st nov but race day is still on the 26 th of this month .
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Well mr NITROS , where are you going on Sunday to race ? Can we come and watch . By the way our car show is now on the 1 st nov but race day is still on the 26 th of this month .
Well I don't know thought maybe I could go out and watch you have a crack at lawn bowls this weekend :grin:.... Have to show us how it's done....
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Well he tells me he has a fully forged bottom end. I feel he will split the block or melt the pistons but as they say you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
No he has Forged pistons and I beam rods from memory a cast scat crank. It does have a Griddle so may do a few passes on the the bottle.
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We will see . I don't like NITROS and a manual . I don't like NITROS full stop .
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No he has Forged pistons and I beam rods from memory a cast scat crank. It does have a Griddle so may do a few passes on the the bottle.
Only stated what he told me. he could have the strongest bottom end ever but it is still an old ford 302 block.
If he runs the NOS I believe it will end in tears.
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Only stated what he told me. he could have the strongest bottom end ever but it is still an old ford 302 block.
If he runs the NOS I believe it will end in tears.
Sooner or later.
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Maybe that should be sooner than later or will be sooner than later :shrug:
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Maybe that should be sooner than later or will be sooner than later :shrug:
Now kids a perfect example why you should not do drugs :bolt:
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Well maybe or maybe not :shrug: Maybe I should just stay playing lawn Bowls:thumb:
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Lots of talk going on here....
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Hey well tonight's efforts seemed quite good on the old dyno. I've still got a bit more to do to improve things. As my
Hunch was right it needs a Elc fuel pump it's running out of gas in the top end. and the mainfold is wrong for it. With these improvements should pick up another 30-40hp he seems to think. But tonight with a basic tune we grabed another 35hp out of it.
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So post up a pic of your dyno sheet,, show us what you got out of it
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Ha can't give too much away.... let's just say the results are pretty dam close to what I was looking for :thumb:
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Well it looks like both of you guys are going to kick my butt :burnout: Did I tell you both I can't go to the track that day I have to play lawn bowls :thumb: .
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^^^ :lmao:
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Glenn maybe you need to put yours on the dyno. It's worth it to gain an extra 30-40hp just for a tune.
They had another guy there last night In his xt Fairmont his car ran 160hp and with a simple tune turn of the dizzy he got 180hp. Not bad...
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I have always told you your engine had more HP than mine . Same size engine ,bigger carby ,better intake manifold ,bigger cam ,more compression , a MSD etc and a much newer engine . So more HP does not surprise me . Mine is around 335 HP flywheel yours should be around 460 ish I would think
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Ha can't give too much away.... let's just say the results are pretty dam close to what I was looking for :thumb:
Oh well, like Glenn always says the bullsh!t stops when the flag drops.
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I have always told you your engine had more HP than mine . Same size engine ,bigger carby ,better intake manifold ,bigger cam ,more compression , a MSD etc and a much newer engine . So more HP does not surprise me . Mine is around 335 HP flywheel yours should be around 460 ish I would think
I would have thought it would have been more with his shot of NOS ???
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Ryan I still wouldn't change the intake manifold but would put a spacer on it . Next keep the revs under 6500 .
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Arh well from what aron said my car works best changing gears at 6k he said anything less im wasting power. In this case I did short change myself. Need to get better with my gear changes.
With these small changes its a 50hp upgrade. Realy do wish I spent the money and went to a dart block. I'm realy on my limits now. It makes around 520hp at the flywheel from what my converter is telling me.
Hey Glenn what series Micky Thompson tyres do you use.. Need some new tyres..
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I would have thought it would have been more with his shot of NOS ???
Ha no nos Rodney... Maybe you and glen should put your car on the dyno we can end this right now :thumb: :grin:
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520 HP in your dreams . How did you work that out ?
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Ha no nos Rodney... Maybe you and glen should put your car on the dyno we can end this right now :thumb: :grin:
Wake up to yourself, what do you think the challenge is for.
Maybe you should put your money where your mouth is dyno man
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What happened to i am not doing what everyone tells me I do my own thing???
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Rodney and myself aren't dyno Queens . When the flag drops the bull shit stops
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With the quoted numbers I foresee an early bottom end failure.ie.split block.My new 347 is rated at 438hp at the flywheel but it is also a 4 bolt main set up.520hp scary out of a stock Windsor block.
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Wake up to yourself, what do you think the challenge is for.
Maybe you should put your money where your mouth is dyno man
I thought it was for two old men playing lawn balls in a steardy compitition :lmao:
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520 HP in your dreams . How did you work that out ?
Add 30% Glenn well that's what I was told to do. to save argument sake solid 500hp. :thumb:
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What happened to i am not doing what everyone tells me I do my own thing???
Well that's right hence why my car was on the dyno & not at the drags... never done it before so was good too see.
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Question for Ryan.What 5 speed manual box are you running.
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Rodney and myself aren't dyno Queens . When the flag drops the Lawn balls rolls
^^^ :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Question for Ryan.What 5 speed manual box are you running.
Tko600 mate.
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Well that's right hence why my car was on the dyno & not at the drags... never done it before so was good too see.
Yeah yeah Ryan, doing your own thing putting it on a dyno & not at the drags, w@nk w@nk my car makes 500hp so your saying your car made 385hp to 400hp at the wheels by your calculations, I am calling bullsh!t .
POST UP A PHOTO OF YOUR DYNOSHEET save face and prove me wrong. Or didthe dog eat it.
You are running a manual transmission and your not even running a 9" so you would lose less than a 100hp.
Next Saturday will soon tell anyways, dynos are a great tuning tool but numbers lie and change from dyno to dyno and day to day.
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HP at the rear wheels compared to flywheel HP is a real problem . Every car is different ,front wheel drive ,rear wheel drive , auto to manual and different diffs etcetera . Some try and work on percentages but that's hard . Yours Ryan with a TKO 600 and a 8 inch would loose around 45hp maybe 17 % . So if you made 385 HP on the dyno at wheels = around 430 HP flywheel not 520 or 500 HP . Rodney and I run auto trans and 9 inch diffs even tho the HP between a 8 inch and 9 inch would only be about 1 or 2 HP . We would loose around 100 HP because of the autos . So if I had 385 HP @ rears that's more like 485 HP flywheel . Tell us or better show us the dyno results and add 45 HP and that will end it . :thud:
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So end of the day if you want to be a dyno Queen you don't run an auto trans or a 9 inch . Ryan if you don't want to show us your dyno results that's fine . The 1/4 mile is where it matters , 1 st over the line ,not even the time card ,because a win is a win . Next Saturday we will line up each other at the track ,not crap on a piece of paper ( dyno or time sheet ) because it will be 1 st over the line . When the flag drops you know the rest and if you sleep you weep .
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Yeah yeah Ryan, doing your own thing putting it on a dyno & not at the drags, w@nk w@nk my car makes 500hp so your saying your car made 385hp to 400hp at the wheels by your calculations, I am calling bullsh!t .
POST UP A PHOTO OF YOUR DYNOSHEET save face and prove me wrong. Or didthe dog eat it.
You are running a manual transmission and your not even running a 9" so you would lose less than a 100hp.
Next Saturday will soon tell anyways, dynos are a great tuning tool but numbers lie and change from dyno to dyno and day to day.
It's ok don't hurt Rodney :grin: :therethere:
Btw I'm talking at the flywheel here not rear wheel.
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So end of the day if you want to be a dyno Queen you don't run an auto trans or a 9 inch . Ryan if you don't want to show us your dyno results that's fine . The 1/4 mile is where it matters , 1 st over the line ,not even the time card ,because a win is a win . Next Saturday we will line up each other at the track ,not crap on a piece of paper ( dyno or time sheet ) because it will be 1 st over the line . When the flag drops you know the rest and if you sleep you weep .
Glenn did you just finnish watching fast and furious episodes 1 to 10... haha good movies..... :thumb:
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Ha , now I know what your taking about ,yes a win is a win and talk is cheap . So is a piece of paper .
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Ha does it count if I show up in my 6l ve ute next week? Hahah.....
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If you don't turn up and race your 347 stroker mustang you had better turn up wearing a skirt . Sandra in our club is racing her VY 5.7 auto so maybe she can lend you a pretty skirt and good luck beating her also 12.2 at 1110 mph .
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If you don't turn up and race your 347 stroker mustang you had better turn up wearing a skirt . Sandra in our club is racing her VY 5.7 auto so maybe she can lend you a pretty skirt and good luck beating her also 12.2 at 1110 mph .
Arh just got this one... keen to give it a run for fun. so what's the deal is this on all day? What time are u guys going down? Because the show is cancled on Sunday I was going to pay Darren to go to it. So can u still do it on the day?
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Meet at BP at 12.15 /12.30 latest for a 12.45 leave . Willowbank by 1.45 racing for us starts around 2 till 4 . Then normal test and tune after that if you want to stay (free) . You have booked in so just pay me and I will Handel it .. For any other mustang owners reading this on here that want to give your stang a run with us give me a pm . Cost to you will be $55 dollars includes driver and one other person into event . And yes you can stay and race or just watch the rest of the test and tune . Ok Ryan tell us about the VE 6 litre and what you think it will run ?
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Meet at BP at 12.15 /12.30 latest for a 12.45 leave . Willowbank by 1.45 racing for us starts around 2 till 4 . Then normal test and tune after that if you want to stay (free) . You have booked in so just pay me and I will Handel it .. For any other mustang owners reading this on here that want to give your stang a run with us give me a pm . Cost to you will be $55 dollars includes driver and one other person into event . And yes you can stay and race or just watch the rest of the test and tune . Ok Ryan tell us about the VE 6 litre and what you think it will run ?
Did you blokes book me in? I haven't booked...
No idea what are the 6l ve ssv about 270kw??? It seemed to go alright
Think I'll go on wens test and tune. I Realy need new tyres tho. They are wasted after powercruise
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I thought you booked in with Ross or was that for the car show ? . Yes a ve is around 270 kw and should run a high 13 if std .
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I thought you booked in with Ross or was that for the car show ? . Yes a ve is around 270 kw and should run a high 13 if std .
No I believe that was for the show.... Was going to sort that out this week but that show got canned!!
Yes I'd say standard day at the auctions wanted another navara ended up with a ssv was too cheap to say no. Be fun to get some runs in with it just for shits and giggles.
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Another guy in the club has herd about you and wants to race you in his XD falcon with a stroker in it . I have raced him twice and beat him because he had a problem both times . :burnout: Its a quick car with no NITROS no turbo and no supercharger ,just a carby .
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Arh Yeh I'll be right...... Pretty sure that was the guy that lent me the dizzy cap and roata button last night. That's one quick car. Is it the one that does wheel stands everytime he runs?
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:lmao: yes :grin: . It runs 9.4 at 144 mph ,not bad for a street car :thud: .
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It's ok don't hurt Rodney :grin: :therethere:
Btw I'm talking at the flywheel here not rear wheel.
Simple mathematics you stated first 520 fwhp then you stated 500 fwhp stating you came to this by using rwhp +30% so using your formula
385 rwhp + 30% (115.5) = 500.5 fwhp
400 rwhp + 30% (120) = 520 fwhp
Like I said I call bullsh!t
Post a photo of your dyno sheet and prove me wrong.
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Here we go Ryan . My car use to make around 335HP and ran the best time of 11.89 at 113.6 mph about 18 mths ago ,then I cooked the engine big time ( doing a charity run for kids ) ask Shaun he knows . Ever since then its only run 12.1 at 111.2 mph ,so its lost about 20 /25 HP so now it would be around 410HP And my engine is over six years old now. .For every one mph is 10 HP so loosing around 2.5 mph is 25HP . So if I put mine on the dyno I would be lucky to make 300 HP at the wheels and that's a tab over 30 % and why 30% because I run an auto and a hi stall converter and a 9 inch diff . A manual doesn't drain much HP at all so the 30% goes right out the door . So in my view if yours ran just under 400 HP as you told me that's great HP at the wheels but remember with a manual you might loose 50/55 HP to flywheel ? . Yours at 400 HP @ tyres should then run 10 mph more at the track than mine so 121 mph , ET time depends on traction and gear changers mph does not . You should pull away from me like I'm standing still . Rodney's car should make around 400 @ wheels but is an auto and a much heavier car than both of ours .
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Yours at 400 HP @ tyres should then run 10 mph more at the track than mine so 121 mph , ET time depends on traction and gear changers mph does not . You should pull away from me like I'm standing still . Rodney's car should make around 400 @ wheels but is an auto and a much heavier car than both of ours .
If he has 400 at the wheels he should pull away from me well and truly as well with my car being much heavier.
Like I said earlier I think Ryan is full of sh!t and never even made 385hp and it has been a couple of days since I called his bluff and still no dyno sheet IMHO I think he will be trying to work out how to extract more out of it or how to fudge up the dyno sheet.
Glenn don't you know the dyno guy??? Maybe ask him what it made and hear it first hand if you do.
I know he is a GCMCA member or sponsor.
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Yes I know him but not everyone wants there dyno results put out in the world and I respect that .Ryan told me it made a tab under 400 HP at the wheels so to me that would be somewhere in the 390s maybe 395 plus ? . It doesn't really matter the true test will be at the track Saturday for all of us . :burnout: Rodney you have enough problems with your car at the moment ( missing problem) so you need to fix that .
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Yes I know him but not everyone wants there dyno results put out in the world and I respect that .Ryan told me it made a tab under 400 HP at the wheels so to me that would be somewhere in the 390s maybe 395 plus ? . It doesn't really matter the true test will be at the track Saturday for all of us . :burnout: Rodney you have enough problems with your car at the moment ( missing problem) so you need to fix that .
No matter what power anyone has you still have to put it down at the start and get it to the fast end off the track.
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Well Ryan are you bringing the mustang or the VE ute and a skirt . :lmao:
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If it wasn't so far I would happily bring my VE and pink skirt.
Peter.
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Sounds like a good grudge match, might have to come out and watch!
Ryan's gross hp numbers seem a bit optimistic, I've never seen a 30% loss from flywheel to rear wheels, might lose 50 hp.
Hp loss with automatics are even a bit strange too as the torque convertor actually multiples torque, and hp is just a factor of torque and rpm.
Anyway Ryan, watch those hydraulic roller cam blocks they can be brittle over 500hp. Nitrous, blowers or turbos have split those suckers right down the middle!
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Peter I think Rodney has borrowed a pink skirt from one of his daughters for Ryan if he turns up in the ute .
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gazzab055 ,I think Ryan's block is an early 302 pre roller . That's why I have told him to keep the revs to around 6000 rpm and no gas .
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I've got a 69 302 Mexican block and main stud girdle for my 347 combo that looks stout compared to the stuffed 302 hydraulic roller block I bought. I think they weakened the later hydraulic roller cam blocks too much and the cranks aren't even worthwhile talking about.
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I can't wait for the weekend to arrive and see the outcome of this thread.Sure beats watching re runs of Hogans Heroes.
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Or the Super Taxis!
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Hogans Heroes was such a laugh and I could watch it over and over ,just like this thread ,love it and can read it over and over :grin: . The problem is I think I might get my butt kicked on the track
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On another note I have organised a guy to take photos at the track of us racing and maybe Ryan in a pink skirt :lmao: :cry: .
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You can't use drivetrain loss percentages based on engine power. Engine power doesn't have much to do with the amount of energy required to move your car. It's generally a fixed amount based on your transmission, diff, wheels etc etc.
The 30% thing is crap. I remember we used to use 15%, but even that is crap. Every car is different.
Percentages based on hp is even more laughable when you break it further. Lets say you're losing 30% with 600 hp, that means your drivetrain need 200hp just to move. So if you have if you had a 190hp engine, you wouldn't be able to move your car.
Hell, a 100hp motor would move a mustang.
Sorry to rant, but in closing, drivetrain loss is based on drivetrain components, and doesn't have much to do with the engine..
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Go to the strip and see what the mph is then see what the weight of the car on race day plus weight of driver . That's the way I work it out but HP means nothing torque wins . 1 st to the finish line wins .
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Yes I know him but not everyone wants there dyno results put out in the world and I respect that .Ryan told me it made a tab under 400 HP at the wheels so to me that would be somewhere in the 390s maybe 395 plus ? . It doesn't really matter the true test will be at the track Saturday for all of us . :burnout: Rodney you have enough problems with your car at the moment ( missing problem) so you need to fix that .
Hey Glenn I see you have been talking to aron hummm?? :therethere:
Sounds like you are pretty close to been on the ball there Glenn!!
Besides me giving everything away about my car I don't think I have to many secrets left other then pulling my mixer out a little bit.... Hehe....
I am a bit worried my car still needs work or a few things to be fixed up but more then likely won't have it ready by Sunday.
My list
Steering arms/ brake swap over.
New tyres
Fuel pump because mine runs out of fuel in top end.
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No you text me and said it was just under 400 HP and that's what you expected . At the end of the day who cares ,just go and race and have a good day .
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No you text me and said it was just under 400 HP and that's what you expected . At the end of the day who cares ,just go and race and have a good day .
It's ok Glenn I know you checked up on me! :grin: Was talking to aron today he thinks I can do better with a few parts but you guys got me worried now I'm going to split my block if I push it much more.
Think I'm going to do the fuel pump that was my problem I talked to u about it did it on the dyno. And he said he could help me out with some tyres because the old ones are toast.
Ha glad you said that too much smack talk going on here haha
Think I may hit up Wednesday test and tune see what it does.
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So you are bringing the ute and a skirt :lmao: Its Saturday arvo not Sunday .
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The ve ute is in the shop mate might just give my navara a try hahaa
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Yes Ryan the blocks are thin as, just ask Rod, and your cast crank will be on the edge as well at 500.
This what they do split the block through the main bolts and webs all the way up to the cam, and then the cam bearing fall out. This block is broken on all 3 centre bearings, this one area where the Dart block is much stronger and has 4 bolt mains
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And the bolts fall out
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Shaun what if we just get a dart block and swap it all over before this happens at least all my parts will still be fine. Just a re ring and new bearings etc
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Yours should be ok with the girdle ,but limit your revs to 6000 . Mine is a std 302 block and lasted 6 years with revs limited to 6000 .
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Shaun what if we just get a dart block and swap it all over before this happens at least all my parts will still be fine. Just a re ring and new bearings etc
Just be mind full of this and drive it accordingly, dont go trying to make more power out of it, when it blows, dont build a 347 Dart, build 363 with 4-1/8" bore that's the shit, so this is a 347 crank and rods with a large bore, mild they do close to 500.
You ran a retro fit roller cam as well, which while a bit cheaper then a full size roller cam also drops the power a little. in a 363 you would just use your heads, rockers etc, then run a 4340 crank and H beam rods like I put in Rods engine. You just need the base Dart block SHP and buy it as a 4-1/8" bore, and of course you need special pistons, Woody does them for about $14k complete I think.
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VPW have the Dart blocks for ~$2650, or you can buy a complete Dart 427 short from them for ~$8250 that has a 4.125" bore, four bolt mains, forged pistons, H-beam rods, forged 4.00" stroke crank, all internally balanced and assembled.
Luckily I got mine from them two years ago for $6500 when the dollar was even money!
Don't know why they haven't got a 363 combo listed though.
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My question is this block the same size as a 302 block with the 363? 351 blocks are too tite in a 65 mustang.
I have been wanting to do a better motor of the convertible then just a standard 302. Maybe I'll keep the heads of this current motor put them on the new build and get somthing a bit cheaper not sure it's all in the wind atm.
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Yes the dart block for the use in a 363 is a std 289/302 size block . 393/408 engines can use a std ford 351 block . Bigger than 408 in a 351w block really needs a dart block . Any more power in your car and your std diff will go BANG .
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Yes the dart block for the use in a 363 is a std 289/302 size block . 393/408 engines can use a std ford 351 block . Bigger than 408 in a 351w block really needs a dart block . Any more power in your car and your std diff will go BANG .
Wouldn't call it standard it's a tru track Center that's in it. With new gears.
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With the upgrade of power you want the diff will go Bang . You only have a 8 inch diff and std 28 spline axles with a weak case and its all 50 years old . You have only put a true trac hemisphere in to the old centre to turn it into a LSD type centre for traction . If yours was a auto trans you might get away with it for a while , but a manual and then running M/T ET streets it won't last long ,but you never know . If you build a tuff engine you will have to spend another 4 grand on the diff .
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Watch out running at the drags with the 28 spline axles and MT treaded slicks. Friends of mine running 11 sec times in super street broke the 28 spline axles nearly straight away and went to true tracs or spool and high grade 31 spline axles. Both run box falcons, one with a 347 and the other with a 418 Windsor.
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What this thread gone quite ? So Ryan which car are you bringing and racing ? You have plenty to choose from .
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Just a question what speeds do you think you were getting up to at the power cruise . I haven't been before so its just a bit f a drag race down the straight ,maybe 1st ,2nd just into 3 rd gear and back off ? In a manual box .
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Gps said I had been up to 207ks that day. did feel like I was flying...
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Wow 207 kph that's really moving mate . I could never do that with a stack of cars around me ,my brakes aren't that good . What gear would you be starting in ? They don't stop and take off do they ,its from 2nd gear right through to 5 th . ? Mine won't even do 207 because I don't have a over drive box .
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Wow 207 kph that's really moving mate . I could never do that with a stack of cars around me ,my brakes aren't that good . What gear would you be starting in ? They don't stop and take off do they ,its from 2nd gear right through to 5 th . ? Mine won't even do 207 because I don't have a over drive box .
As I said this is a guess I turned my gps to the screen it tells you how fast you have gone that day. At powercruise it's more a rolling start from second gear so from the start of the back straight i was reveing it out to 6/7k only just got up to forth by the end. Ha i know it was enough to scare the shit out of my mate in the front. That's only about 130 miles you would have to be going close to that to be doing 12s down the quater mile.
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That's big revs ,between 6000 and 7000 and its Bang revs . At 207 what gear were you in ? . Sounds like fun might have to go some day .
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130 mph is getting in the low 10s not 12s . Mid 12s is around 105 mph /168 kph . If your car did close to 130 mph at power cruise with no problems coming to willowbank is easy at under 110 mph .
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Just remember EDs mustang is a hwy cruiser ,Rodney's is the same and set up to tow his caravan ,mine has 3.7 gears now but 3.00 soon so we be just a hwy cruiser also . Just some mates with mustangs going out for a track day ,not trying to be the fastest mustangs around that's for sure . We should all run between 11. 9 and 12.2 drive in drive out change nothing .
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207 Klmh???I think your GPS might be wrong, are you sure that wasn't the round trip to QR & back? :grin: John Bowe's TCM Mustang only gets to 230 down the back straight and that's with a good run through turn 2. I was there a couple of months ago in a mates Walkinshaw blown VE and with a good run though turn 2 with no traffic we were only just touching 200 before needing to brake & that's with BIG brakes. That car runs high 11s.
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Stimo that's what it must have been 207 Klm round trip :grin: . From Ryan's to willowbank would be about 90 Klms ,so 180 return plus doing a few laps = 207 Klms . :bolt:
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:thud: :lmao: :bolt:
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I know one thing we where flying that's just what it said... I booted it as I was comming out of the corner. but hey we would never trust what the gps tells us with speed they are normaly put a touch
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Here's John Bowe in car footage with telemetry in the Torana chasing Andrew Miedeke, Eddie Abelnica & Stevie J out front in Mustang Sally at QR.
https://youtu.be/Y1j3QyHd-H8
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Man that guy had so many chances to pass the car in front.
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John Bowe actually owns that Mustang in front being driven by Steve Johnson, that's why he doesn't take any risky moves. In the previous race he dinted the left door. The Torana he's driving is owned by Gary O'Brien. It's good to watch, keep watching this stuff Ryan and you'll forget all about the drag strip.
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Stimo :kickass:
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Hey only 2 more sleeps :grin: hope your ready Ryan and don't worry you won't have to go as fast on the track as you did at the power cruise . 175 kph tops and that will be around 5,500 rpm in 4 th gear . Its only a 400m dash .
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Hey only 2 more sleeps :grin: hope your ready Ryan and don't worry you won't have to go as fast on the track as you did at the power cruise . 175 kph tops and that will be around 5,500 rpm in 4 th gear . Its only a 400m dash .
Sorry to say mate but I have to work now.... you and rod will have to line up!
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John Bowe actually owns that Mustang in front being driven by Steve Johnson, that's why he doesn't take any risky moves. In the previous race he dinted the left door. The Torana he's driving is owned by Gary O'Brien. It's good to watch, keep watching this stuff Ryan and you'll forget all about the drag strip.
believe it or not been there done that. It's a farkin expencive hobby to do!
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Thats ok we will wait . Test and tune doesn't start till 4.30 and goes till 9.30 /10 pm ish .
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Stimo :kickass:
Stimo :thumb:
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Thats ok we will wait . Test and tune doesn't start till 4.30 and goes till 9.30 /10 pm ish .
Sweet see how I go was thinking only a half day.... I'll let u know how I get on tomorrow
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Our track time is from around 2.15 till 4 but after us its a test and tune from 4.30 .
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Our track time is from around 2.15 till 4 but after us its a test and tune from 4.30 .
Sounds like a good chance to get a few runs in. you know almost be worth letting you have a run in mine. you would problay pick up on some of my isses may help
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Do this simple test for me . Go on the m1 and sit on around 80 kph in 3rd gear then put your foot down till 110 kph then back completely off again ,then back to cruise speed . Let me know what it does . I want to know if it pulls to the right then to the left then straight . Maybe do it a few times to make sure what ever its doing you are sure about .
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Take up his offer Glenn & drive it like you stole it :burnout: Just don't bend it, it's a nice car.
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Decisions decisions, which dress should I bring for the non Mustang driver.
Vintage or Modern
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Decisions Decisions Rodney ,just make up your mind which one you want to wear and give the other one to Ryan to wear ,simple :lmao:
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Decisions Decisions Rodney ,just make up your mind which one you want to wear and give the other one to Ryan to wear ,simple :lmao:
You need to wear your glasses more often pops.The dress is for the non Mustang driver, I drive my Mustang more than you Ryan or Ed drive your own.
I think you should wear one of them and join Barnett watching videos by candlelight. :lol: :lol:
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What you call that purple lemon a mustang :grin:
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Which ever one of you guys gets to wear the light pink see through one make sure you wear nickers and a bra ,we don't what to see any more than we have to :sick: :lmao:
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Well it is official my car is a Lemon.
I have just broken my 2nd drivers side strut rod.and car will be going home on a RACQ tilt tray.
I feel like I should buy a lottery ticket both times have been at a very slow speed and no damage done and I am glad it did not do it on the motorway or on the dragstrip.
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Decisions decisions, which dress should I bring for the non Mustang driver.
Vintage or Modern
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I think both dresses will Match the colour of your eyes Rodney :thumb:
Sorry mate you know I have a rude about bowering other mates clothes you should wear it tho you will look nice in it :grin:
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Well it is official my car is a Lemon.
I have just broken my 2nd drivers side strut rod.and car will be going home on a RACQ tilt tray.
I feel like I should buy a lottery ticket both times have been at a very slow speed and no damage done and I am glad it did not do it on the motorway or on the dragstrip.
So will you be the non mustang driver today?
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Bad luck Rodney,thankfully the car did not get damaged.
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So will you be the non mustang driver today?
Certainly bl@@dy well looks like it.
I am still waiting from Neil from Mustang Spares to see if he has a set and if he does it will be a dash to Redcliffe to get them,
I may still make it but not getting my hopes up.
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No rush Rodney
I'm 15 km from the track and it's raining now.
Willowbank officials have a history of cancelling meetings if a dog pisses on the road, so I doubt if it will be on!
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Heavy rain now with thunder, don't like you chances today for a grudge match!
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I have decided to give it a miss, 4.5 hours travel time alone just made it too big of an ask.
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I have decided to give it a miss, 4.5 hours travel time alone just made it too big of an ask.
Maybe track down some original arms Rod.
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LATEST FROM TRACK
The Test n Tune scheduled for Saturday 26th September 2015 has been cancelled due to the rain
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We all got rained out here! was a lot of spinning tyres going on.
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I have decided to give it a miss, 4.5 hours travel time alone just made it too big of an ask.
Hey Rodney was that you I saw dancing around earlier on
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Hey Rodney was that you I saw dancing around earlier on
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No I still can't get my belly in to this damn dress!!!
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Bloody weather ,I got 2 crapy runs in and both around 2.0 in the 60 foot . One run a 12.2 and the other 12.3 . Not a very good day for anyone .
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Ryan you need new rear springs big time . It also looks like you are running a lot of negative chamber on the front ? .
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Ryan you need new rear springs big time . It also looks like you are running a lot of negative chamber on the front ? .
Ha my car needs a lot of things bit by bit I am getting there. I'll do the stub axels first get a wheel aliment done. Did anyone get photos or videos of the runs
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But don't go back to the track till you do the rear springs ,other wise you will break an axle or diff .
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Hey Ryan what was your best time and how many runs did you get in .
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Hey Ryan what was your best time and how many runs did you get in .
Come on Ryan where waiting for your reply!!!