Author Topic: 289W Matching BTR 4 Speed Confirmation Please (Read 7410 times)

1965muzzy · « **on:** June 19, 2018, 09:45:26 pm »

Starting to seriously look at installing the BTR 4 Speed into my 65 Muzzy. I have the TCM out of a EB V8, the TCM harness & the transmission harness. Also looking at the Ford BTR 4 Speed Fully Programmable Transmission Controller setup from ShiftKits Australia. Its a bit over $1100 & I have heard good reviews about it.
I just need confirmation from someone who knows, maybe Peter who has installed the BTR in his convertible or Barnett, if the 289W will bolt straight up to the BTR.
This is the basis of what I want to do. I have a Cruis-o-matic which I think has a 6 bolt bellhousing & the 289 is also a 6 bolt up. I just cannot find any documentation confirming this.
Any assistance would be appreciated.

Cheers Darren

Dwayne · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2018, 09:56:50 pm »

Why don't you just stick an AOD box in it?

barnett468 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2018, 02:40:22 am »

sorry, but unfortunately i know very little about aod tranny swaps.

peter9231 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2018, 05:05:43 am »

Quote from: 1965muzzy on June 19, 2018, 09:45:26 pm

Starting to seriously look at installing the BTR 4 Speed into my 65 Muzzy. I have the TCM out of a EB V8, the TCM harness & the transmission harness. Also looking at the Ford BTR 4 Speed Fully Programmable Transmission Controller setup from ShiftKits Australia. Its a bit over $1100 & I have heard good reviews about it.
I just need confirmation from someone who knows, maybe Peter who has installed the BTR in his convertible or Barnett, if the 289W will bolt straight up to the BTR.
This is the basis of what I want to do. I have a Cruis-o-matic which I think has a 6 bolt bellhousing & the 289 is also a 6 bolt up. I just cannot find any documentation confirming this.
Any assistance would be appreciated.

Cheers Darren

The BTR will bolt straight to the 289W (6 bolt)
Starter will be on opposite side.
You will need a rear cross member out of an XD or similar.
Shortened XF tail shaft with RUJ 2029 rear uni joint.
Some mods to the handbrake mount.
No mods to tunnel.
Good conversion.
Peter.

mcarnage59 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2018, 08:02:40 am »

Quote from: barnett468 on June 20, 2018, 02:40:22 am

sorry, but unfortunately i know very little about aod tranny swaps.

I'm calling Bullshit! There's nothing you know very little about is there? Well then again perhaps diplomacy

shaunp · « **Reply #5 on:** June 20, 2018, 08:34:32 am »

Quote from: mcarnage59 on June 20, 2018, 08:02:40 am

I'm calling Bullshit! There's nothing you know very little about is there? Well then again perhaps diplomacy

He just knows that AOD's are junk, as a performance Transmission, that's all. C4 ,Powerglide, GM turbo boxes , Torque-flite no one wins at the drags with an AOD far as I know.

Dwayne · « **Reply #6 on:** June 20, 2018, 08:41:50 am »

Quote from: barnett468 on June 20, 2018, 02:40:22 am

Yes, i know lots about tranny swaps.

There, fixed it.

I think the AOD part was confusing him.

1965muzzy · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2018, 03:09:35 pm »

Thanks Guys.

Particular thanks Peter. You have also answered some of the other questions I would have been surely asking as I progressed. Now comes the fun part.

Cheers Darren

'Hard work pays off in the long run..... but laziness pays off right now.'

peter9231 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2018, 07:07:30 pm »

This is how the cross member fits in.
Angle profile bolted through the side rails with crush tubes

1965muzzy · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2018, 07:52:32 pm »

Thanks Peter.
I have attached your photo with some questions.
As you have installed a BTR, what would you suggest as a diff ratio? I know my install is different to yours with the 289. Not going to put it down the quarter, just a solid driver that when I plant the foot, she responds. Looking to have the 289 balanced & ideally extract around 300 horsies. I have a Holley Sniper EFI that will be installed.
Do you know of an excellent, reputable engine builder in Melbourne, preferably in the west as I'm in Newport. Have had a bad experience with a previous engine builder so a recommended builder would be welcome.

Cheers Darren

peter9231 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2018, 09:17:40 pm »

Darren,
Your mark up is correct with bolts and crush tubes.
The cross member mounts are only in to the angle not through the floor.
My diff ratio is 3.0:1 and ideally I would go to 3.5:1
Currently at 100kph in 4th OD =1500rpm
Having said that Mine is built for crusing not acceleration and returns fuel economy you would not believe.
Cant help with an engine builder on your side of town sorry.
I am sure somebody will be able to offer advice.
I also run a external trans cooler.
I also fitted the "E" series selector.(have since modified it to accept the original chrome T bar handle)
Peter.

shaunp · « **Reply #11 on:** June 20, 2018, 09:29:49 pm »

The other way to mount it. is to move the tunnel brace back in the tunnel to the correct spot then you a normal X member I've done that for AOD's

1965muzzy · « **Reply #12 on:** June 20, 2018, 09:56:10 pm »

Thanks Peter.
Yes, I was going to ask at some point if it is possible to somehow modify the selector to accept the original Mustang selector. The modern shifter just looks out of place but will do until as it's not critical. Another option is to install a B&M Quicksilver shifter & apparently this has been done by a member of this site using & modifying the AOD adaptor that attaches to the transmission. Still interested in this option if these is info on how this was done.
Hope you don't mind but I most likely will be posting questions to you as things come up.
Cheers

289 vert · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2018, 08:40:11 am »

Quote from: shaunp on June 20, 2018, 09:29:49 pm

The other way to mount it. is to move the tunnel brace back in the tunnel to the correct spot then you a normal X member I've done that for AOD's

This is how I did my AODE swap. It gives more exhaust clearance as well.

Dwayne · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2018, 08:44:52 am »

So it it just unpicking the brace and welding it back into the new location?

289 vert · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2018, 09:55:24 am »

Quote from: Dwayne on June 21, 2018, 08:44:52 am

So it it just unpicking the brace and welding it back into the new location?

I wasn't that lucky. It looks like the brace goes in before the floor goes down. there are some spot welds that can't be accessed without destroying the brace.
Repros are cheap. It also needs to be sectioned around the shifter opening in the tunnel. At least on the AODE, which is a bit longer in that area, don't know bout the BTR.

shaunp · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2018, 11:04:02 am »

Quote from: Dwayne on June 21, 2018, 08:44:52 am

So it it just unpicking the brace and welding it back into the new location?

yes and you have to cut a bit out of the top as the tunnel changes shape. They are cheap to buy new so if you wreck it get a new one. I then used the standard 65 cross member and mount, hand brake stuff etc. This is how I did John's (Astroboys) car looks totally stock, also use 66 on front engine mounts/brackets, this lowers the engine gives tunnel room.

Fitzy1980 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2018, 12:05:39 pm »

Quote from: barnett468 on June 20, 2018, 02:40:22 am

sorry, but unfortunately i know very little about aod tranny swaps.

You mean an estrogen pump?

1965muzzy · « **Reply #18 on:** June 29, 2018, 10:05:51 pm »

Hi Peter.
Just checking the XD Crossmember. Attached is the XA XB XC transmission crossmember. They look exactly the same. Please let me know if the XD is different to the XA XB XC crossmember. Cheers Darren

peter9231 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2018, 07:10:25 am »

Yes they are the same changed at XE

1965muzzy · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2018, 09:31:07 pm »

Hi Peter.
In have a BTR 4 speed out of an AU V8 & have the matching flex plate & torque converter. I assume I will need to replace the C4 started motor with an AU V8 starter motor? Cheers Darren

peter9231 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2018, 06:32:25 am »

Yes you are correct.

GLENN 70 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2018, 08:14:15 am »

Make sure your front balancer matches the flex plate .

1965muzzy · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2018, 12:14:47 pm »

Thanks Peter & Glenn.

Glenn, that's one thing I had no idea about let alone considered. Please let me know how do I go about doing this? Cheers Daz

GEOFF289 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2018, 12:38:26 pm »

If as you say above the flexplate is from an AU its going to be a 50 ounce one. 289's used a 28 ounce one and there is therefore a 28 ounce balancer on the other end of your engine.

I'll be corrected if I'm wrong but I'm not sure you can just change the balancer to a 50 ounce one as the whole rotating assembly has been set up to have 28 ounces swinging off both ends, not 50. I think you could get your flexplate rebalanced to 28 ounces.

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