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Technical & General Discussion Area => Tech Torque Pre 1973 => Topic started by: bank1957 on May 13, 2015, 05:20:55 pm
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Looks like 64 1/2 mustangs don't like the new LED rear light setup that I installed. Works in the day time, but at night no blinkers at all.
Thus I thought about changing the rear reversing lights into blinkers, since my reversing switch is dead.
What's needed to do this, is it simple or do I get an auto electrician to do it?
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One way is this.
The wires for the back up lites go from the lite thru the lower trunk extension and you can see them come up inside the quarter panel in the trunk.
Locate those wires where they go into the harness under the trunk lip.
Go to the left tail lite assy and locate the green/orange wire that connects to the tail lite assy.
Cut that wire in half
Cut the left back up lite wire in half
Connect the wire that is attached to the back up lite to the green/orange wire that goes into the car, not the end that goes to the tail lite housing.
Go to the right tail lite assy and locate the orange/blue wire that connects to the tail lite assy.
Cut that wire in half
Cut the right back up lite wire in half
Connect the wire that is attached to the back up lite to the orange/blue wire that goes into the car, not the end that goes to the tail lite housing.
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Thanks, and have a Bud on me!
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hmmm....decisions, decisions...
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As well as swapping the wires in the back you need to swap the location of both the reverse light switch and brake light switch, under the dash, you have to swap the entire circuit over, so that the reverse lights are now reverse and indicator and the brake lights are just brake lights.
Or take it to John Greene at Probe engineering in Wynnum
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As well as swapping the wires in the back you need to swap the location of both the reverse light switch and brake light switch, under the dash, you have to swap the entire circuit over, so that the reverse lights are now reverse and indicator and the brake lights are just brake lights.
Or take it to John Greene at Probe engineering in Wynnum
shaun . . he is not going to use the reverse lites because his reverse lite switch is bad so these will be blinkers only
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shaun . . he is not going to use the reverse lites because his reverse lite switch is bad so these will be blinkers only
I've been thru this all before, Shaun posted these instructions years back and prob a few times since.
Barnett that wiring mod knocks out your proper brake lights and in effect your 'reverse lights' now become brake/turn signal.
thats why you must do the crossover at the brake pedal switch as well, to separate the brake and turn signal from eachother.
Here's the mod:
- disconnect the reverse light bullet connector (black/red wire) that pokes out the top of the kick panel near fuses. tape off the female connector of that and tuck it away, as youll then join the new wire to the male connector.
cut the green wire at the stop light switch, tape off the end that goes into the loom, then extend the other short green tail from the switch with a new wire to that reverse light male connector (i made a new wire with bullet connectors for easy connection) This re-routes the brake light power rather than it going through the turn signal switch.
- at the tail lamps cut the orange/blue & green/orange brake&turn signal wires from their respective tail/brake lamp holders, connect them to the black/red wire that goes to their respective reverse light beneath. This will give you indicators in reverse lights.
connect the incoming black/red wires to those turn signal tails that were cut at the brake lamp holder. You now have brake lights. In case you wondered, the tail lamp signal is the plain black wire which remains unchanged.
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Frank, this is what I did with my '64 1/2. It already had the 3 bulb tail light setup when I bought it & the high temp red lens, but I wanted to use the "Aussie" version with the amber indicator lens which are not high temp & can't be used with the normal bulbs. To get around this I bought some LED bulbs to replace the tail light & brake lights but left in the old bulbs for the indicators thus eliminating the need for altering the wiring. This setup works really well.
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Hi Bank1957
I have installed LED tail lights in my 66 and have had no problems.Where did you get yours from,mine came from Auto Cables with instrucctios from mustangproject.Sounds like a wiring hiccup.
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As well as swapping the wires in the back you need to swap the location of both the reverse light switch and brake light switch, under the dash, you have to swap the entire circuit over, so that the reverse lights are now reverse and indicator and the brake lights are just brake lights.
Or take it to John Greene at Probe engineering in Wynnum
Thanks Shaun, I'm seeing John tomorrow.
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Hi Bank1957
I have installed LED tail lights in my 66 and have had no problems.Where did you get yours from,mine came from Auto Cables with instrucctios from mustangproject.Sounds like a wiring hiccup.
I bought the tail light LED board from Mustang Auto Parts in Bulimba. It was supposed to be a simple single plug into the existing socket. Looks like a design issue with the board not being able to cope with the 60's setup. Good news though, Robyn and Linda were very helpful and refunded the original purchase price. I have been the only customer with a 64 1/2 that tried the set up.
Also some LED systems for front and rear lights have a LED ticker can in lieu of the standard one, so I'll see where I can buy a set.
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Frank, this is what I did with my '64 1/2. It already had the 3 bulb tail light setup when I bought it & the high temp red lens, but I wanted to use the "Aussie" version with the amber indicator lens which are not high temp & can't be used with the normal bulbs. To get around this I bought some LED bulbs to replace the tail light & brake lights but left in the old bulbs for the indicators thus eliminating the need for altering the wiring. This setup works really well.
Pete:- I have the original rear tail light set up with one bulb in one outlet. Your poppy red duco looks like new. Mine looks good at 10 feet away, but its a 51 year old paint job.
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I have installed LED tail lights in my 66 and have had no problems.
Indeed, not all LED's are the same, just ask Birdman, he's got a bag full of crap LED's that don't do a decent job; he finally settled on a set of plasma LED's which do look good.
http://www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/plasma2.html?attribs=80 (http://www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/plasma2.html?attribs=80)
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Indeed, not all LED's are the same, just ask Birdman, he's got a bag full of crap LED's that don't do a decent job; he finally settled on a set of plasma LED's which do look good.
http://www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/plasma2.html?attribs=80 (http://www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/plasma2.html?attribs=80)
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Yes very true. They work superb. A big thanks to (griff) for being the guiny pig and trying them out first. Solid build and great colour in day and night.
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In my opinion the blinkers should be left in the tail lights and an amber lens fitted into the outer side . The bottom reverse lights left as they are , reverse lights . Blinkers are seen better above the bumper bar .. 69ish had LED lights fitted in his 69 and they were hopeless and he has gone back to the original set up .
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In my opinion the blinkers should be left in the tail lights and an amber lens fitted into the outer side . The bottom reverse lights left as they are , reverse lights . Blinkers are seen better above the bumper bar .. 69ish had LED lights fitted in his 69 and they were hopeless and he has gone back to the original set up .
Problem being the original are not much better and I still need to find a solution but I can't do anything until I get my car back. (I rang hughie 3 times today but I did only leave 1 message and he has not replied yet, so with the lack of communication I am guessing it will not be ready for pick up tomorrow)
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Indeed, not all LED's are the same, just ask Birdman, he's got a bag full of crap LED's that don't do a decent job; he finally settled on a set of plasma LED's which do look good.
http://www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/plasma2.html?attribs=80 (http://www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/plasma2.html?attribs=80)
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Checked the website, unfortunately for my 64 1/2, no plasma lights, they start from 67 Mustang/Cougar.
Anyone tried the United Pacific brand available from rodworx.com. Seems thet have the lot including the led flasher can unit.
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Checked the website, unfortunately for my 64 1/2, no plasma lights, they start from 67 Mustang/Cougar.
It's a Cougar website; whoever worded it doesn't have a clue; the bulbs are 1157's.
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Pete:- I have the original rear tail light set up with one bulb in one outlet. Your poppy red duco looks like new. Mine looks good at 10 feet away, but its a 51 year old paint job.
My car had a full restoration about 4 years ago & I think that is when the tail light conversion was done. It was built 2 days after yours.
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It's a Cougar website; whoever worded it doesn't have a clue; the bulbs are 1157's.
I went on to a Cougar website also & there was plenty of high beam stuff on there but no bulbs. Must have pressed the wrong key. :grin:
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I went on to a Cougar website also & there was plenty of high beam stuff on there but no bulbs. Must have pressed the wrong key.
Yeah if you're looking for Cougar horns and type in Cougar hooters you'll also cop an eyeful.
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Yeah if you're looking for Cougar horns and type in Cougar hooters you'll also cop an eyeful.
just tried it, thanks very much for the tip :lmao:
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Looks like 64 1/2 mustangs don't like the new LED rear light setup that I installed. Works in the day time, but at night no blinkers at all.
Thus I thought about changing the rear reversing lights into blinkers, since my reversing switch is dead.
What's needed to do this, is it simple or do I get an auto electrician to do it?
were they sequential lights if so the unit can not touch the housing.
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were they sequential lights if so the unit can not touch the housing.
Not sequential. It's an original 64 1/2 survivor.
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Hey Guys,
I know this is an old topic....but i had a query about the wiring mod for making your indicators into the reverse lamps on a 65/66.
I know it says to cut the green wire at the brake pedal switch and connect this to the male bullet connector facing the reverse lamps to re-route the brake light power.
This wire goes to the neutral safety switch on an auto car...does that mean when you press the brake pedal the power will go to the neutral safety switch reverse lamp connector there?
On the drawing it is listed as wire 140 which is black-red. i understand you swap around the wires in the rear lights as well, moving the indicator wires across to the reverse lamp bulbs and moving the old reverse lamp wires to the taillight bulbs, but i cant fathom how the power will get to to the rear brake light through the neutral safety switch. I thought the switch only supplied current to the rear lights when it was engaged in reverse.
The mod i am referring to is here that was posted before in this thread.
- disconnect the reverse light bullet connector (black/red wire) that pokes out the top of the kick panel near fuses. tape off the female connector of that and tuck it away, as youll then join the new wire to the male connector.
cut the green wire at the stop light switch, tape off the end that goes into the loom, then extend the other short green tail from the switch with a new wire to that reverse light male connector (i made a new wire with bullet connectors for easy connection) This re-routes the brake light power rather than it going through the turn signal switch.
This part i am confused about....doing that would take the depressed brake switch power to the neutral safety switch?
- at the tail lamps cut the orange/blue & green/orange brake&turn signal wires from their respective tail/brake lamp holders, connect them to the black/red wire that goes to their respective reverse light beneath. This will give you indicators in reverse lights.
connect the incoming black/red wires to those turn signal tails that were cut at the brake lamp holder. You now have brake lights. In case you wondered, the tail lamp signal is the plain black wire which remains unchanged.
I appreciate any imput from somebody who has done this before.
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BB, I don't have wire diagram for a 65 / 66 so I can't give you wire colours . But the intent is to locate wire from stop light switch to taillights (this wire goes through your indicators switch in steering column then two wires to stop indicator bulbs) . Then locate the wire from reverse switch to reverse lights. At a convenient location :lmao: cut both wires and connect to the other wire. Stop light switch to reverse light wire going to boot. Reverse light switch join to old stop light wire to steering column.
When you change the wiring in the boot for reverse lights and stop /indicators as described.
When complete indicators will flash in reverse lights. When selecting reverse both reverse lights will work but indicators will still flash as they had when brakes were used.
Red lenses are now just tail / stop lights.
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Thanks for your reply pgold.
What you are saying makes sense...the instructions i saw did not as it said to unplug the wire highligted yellow in the diagram i attached and swap that to the green wire that goes out from the brake switch.
My understanding there is it would send the current to the neutral/reverse light switch and the brake lights would not turn on unless the car is in reverse!
I have drawn how you explained and how i understand, to cut that wire at the output side of the reverse light switch and connect that to the brake light switch output (marked red), and then connect the reverse light switch output to the old brake light wire that goes to the column (marked green), and then swap the two wires around in the boot to the lamp holders marked in green.
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BB, I have changed your drawing to the way I think it needs to be to work correctly. Let us know how it goes.
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Thanks pgold.
Your drawing is similar to mine, but i thought if i do it my way it will also allow the reverse lamps to work with the indicators.
My idea was to cut the wire at the connector leading towards the reverse lamps from the reverse switch, and then connect the end facing the rear towards the brake light output switch and the cable from the reverse light switch back through the stalk so they can still function once the wires are swapped in the rear end. When you are in reverse the power will go through the stalk like the old brake light power did and still light up the globes.
I'll rig up some test wires before i cut anything to make sure it will work as intended.
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Looking at your drawing again its exactly as i thought...just better drawn than mine!
Thanks mate
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my 64.5 has had the blinkers in the reversing lights (with amber lenses) since 1970 when it was converted to RHD. It's the same as the front with the blinkers below the bumper.