Mustang Owners Club Australia Forum
Technical & General Discussion Area => Importing Cars & Parts - General Freight => Topic started by: StephenSLR on November 29, 2011, 01:10:34 pm
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I saw this on another forum with regard to Roll On Roll Off Shipping
"Here I've for sale what's left of my 1979 Special 10th Anniversary Pontiac Firebird Trans Am this car was and still is a 100% rust free TA. 78,000 miles on the clock. I purchased this vehicle just on 2 months ago, and while shipping RORO by H#### #########s the damage you see occurred.
But at least they said sorry, NOT! the asking price is to cover my freight - towing - ports fees etc etc."
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Looks like it broke the straps, and played a game of Pinball for a few days!
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SEEN THIS A WHILE BACK HERE........
http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/viewthread.php?tid=15388#pid154675
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Beat me to it 66 Hertz.:thumb:
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SEEN THIS A WHILE BACK HERE........
http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/viewthread.php?tid=15388#pid154675
Ah, it's already done the rounds thanks.
An update: He bought a replacement Trans Am and it was just shipped over for him a few weeks ago... (via container of course.)
Apparently he was recommended to ship via container in the first place but got a "deal" on the RO/RO and went with it.
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the lure of saving a few bucks :banghead: ................buy cheap , buy twice...hey
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the lure of saving a few bucks :banghead: ................buy cheap , buy twice...hey
So true!
People need to find the difference between Value and Cheap!
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Steph... Good things aren't cheap & cheap things aren't good!......period :thumb:
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nice wheels but......:smile01:
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FFFFUUUUU kkkkkkkkkkkkk that is terrible I would tear someones head off if that was me!
What a disgrace!
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thats WHY you always get shipping insurance !!!!!!!! BAM
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WOW, I expected a little better from some of you guys and your views, I have used RORO many a time and never had any issues.
It's not a matter of being cheap, it's just simple economics.
RORO - the car is driven onto the ship and then strapped down, reverse at the other end.
CONTAINER- Car driven into container guys climbs out window straps car down amoungst other cars and parts and then locks the container doors. Container forklifted onto truck and transported to shipping yard. Container craned onto boat, reverse the other end.
More time, resources, and man power for a container load means more $$$'s, pretty simple really
You have just as much chance of a strap letting go in a container as you do on a ships deck.
Here's an example - to get out of a car in a container means climbing out the window = damaging paint work and panel depending on who's loading it
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/j1autotech/Fairmont%20GT/small_IMG_9893.jpg)
When a strap breaks, the car rubs up and down the side of the container for the whole trip as well as banging into the car forward or rear of it
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/j1autotech/Fairmont%20GT/Sudu259_1.jpg)
How do I know, I've seen it 1st hand many a time
Not to mention container issues full stop
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/j1autotech/Shipping%20problems/1487020-20cargo20collapse20containe.jpg)
Containers can also take a long time to arrive due to shipping arrangements
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/j1autotech/GTSlowboat.jpg)
Yes RORO has it's issues as well, but how do you think every BMW, Mercedes, SAAB, FIAT, Toyota etc... arrives in Australia ???
Not by container, that's for sure... by RORO
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/j1autotech/Fairmont%20GT/Roro%20ship%20that%20the%20GT%20is%20travelling%20to%20Aus%20in/ShipPhotoQueenSapphire2.jpg)
And all you have to do is pick it up from the dock after customs have had a gander and away you drive.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/j1autotech/Fairmont%20GT/GT%20Arrives%20in%20Melb/small_Picture017.jpg)
Now how many forum members know personally of a car that has been damaged by RORO ???
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J1
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Now how many forum members know personally of a car that has been damaged by RORO ???
A guy on another forum I belong to was the one that advised the above to send by container but you're right, his example is the exception and not the norm otherwise the practice wouldn't exist.
It would all depend on how rough the seas were at the time and advisable to get insurance either way.
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All true J1. Great points you make. :agree:
What we need to remember is cars also do get damaged in container shipping!
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Also, if a car is locked in a container, there is less chance for 'light fingers' to find their way onto any other items that may be in the car. It's not uncommon for stereos etc to simply dissapear...
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It's not uncommon for stereos etc to simply dissapear...
Some years ago I had my rear speakers and equaliser 'disappear' when my car was stored at a towing yard overnight, the place also had guard dogs which by chance weren't there on that particular night.
:mad:
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The Cougar Ace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Cougar_Ace) was carrying a shipload of Mazdas.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Cougar_Ace_on_side_%28starboard_side%29.jpg/300px-Cougar_Ace_on_side_%28starboard_side%29.jpg)
On December 15, 2006, Mazda announced that all vehicles on the Cougar Ace would be scrapped.
After an extensive process to deploy all the airbags in each vehicle, all of the Mazda cars were crushed onsite at the Port of Portland by Pacific Car Crushing. The last Mazda car from the shipment was crushed on May 6, 2008
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it looks like the ship is a bit tired and having a quick nanny nap...
maybe it doesn't feel well because it's eaten too much asian food...?
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That was a shame. it was a nice looking car. Reminds everyone of insurnace whether its in a container or not.
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The Cougar Ace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Cougar_Ace) was carrying a shipload of Mazdas.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Cougar_Ace_on_side_%28starboard_side%29.jpg/300px-Cougar_Ace_on_side_%28starboard_side%29.jpg)
On December 15, 2006, Mazda announced that all vehicles on the Cougar Ace would be scrapped.
After an extensive process to deploy all the airbags in each vehicle, all of the Mazda cars were crushed onsite at the Port of Portland by Pacific Car Crushing. The last Mazda car from the shipment was crushed on May 6, 2008
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Whats interesting about that one is that most of the cars were not damaged, despite the extreme angle of the boat.
My understanding was that they were only destroyed by Mazda for political reasons. (probably so they weren't inflicted on the general public :smile02: )
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(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/j1autotech/Fairmont%20GT/Sudu259_1.jpg~original)
Wouldn't one place some sort of wheel blocks to stop it swaying side to side? I can't see the straps working too well against any sideways force.
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(http://wa2.www.3news.co.nz/Portals/0-Articles/228955/monaro600.jpg)
The 1972 Holden Monaro GTS is stuck on the stranded Rena container ship (http://www.3news.co.nz/Ex-pats-72-Monaro-among-cargo-stuck-on-Rena/tabid/423/articleID/228955/Default.aspx)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL5F-6DUuYk
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thanks guys - have a car on the water now (container), so on top of the bloody wait I now have more worries :(
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Why worry, I am sure it is not a common occurrence, these guys are professionals
https://youtu.be/iMbs5CFqtK8
https://youtu.be/4RGQXDaYBHs
https://youtu.be/SR1xNHWlEeM
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I've heard plenty of bad stories on RORO. The pic in the post showing a Fairmont against the side of the container shows by the tie down straps that it has been packed by amateurs. I've personally brought six containerised cars in separate shipments from Long Beach to Brisbane and they were packed by pros (packed four cars in 40' container configuration) and none ever moved. I wouldn't ship any other way.
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If you really want a bit more peace of mind, most major shippers offer the option of a single 20' container just for your car - much more expensive of course...
Still the container can be always be lost/damaged in rough seas so there are no guarantees.
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The fairmont gt isn't restrained properly. It needs way more lateral restraint, i.e. straps running sideways. I do this kind of work for the Air Force and the restraint I see on trucks etc makes me cringe.
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Have you ever been in a port and watched the RORO guys loading/unloading cars? The pace they are required to go at is quite something. Meaning they don't have time to muck about babying someone's pride and joy, modern or classic.
Any much loved car of mine would always be shipped in a container, packed by professionals, thankyou very much.
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thanks guys - have a car on the water now (container), so on top of the bloody wait I now have more worries :(
Don't worry Greg - Container is safe!!! My car went from Sydney to Mauritius via Singapore and Malaysia where it was dis-embarked and re-embarked each time!
If you have patience you can track your container or Vessel live !
First opening of my container back here in Mauritius!
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Don't worry Greg - Container is safe!!! My car went from Sydney to Mauritius via Singapore and Malaysia where it was dis-embarked and re-embarked each time!
Amaury - great to see she arrived safe and sound, after all the dramas we have been through with our dodgy mate we need some good news
Mine is insured and on the water now, not too stressed but yep, it is the wait that is the pain
So is the 67 registered and terrorising the locals yet :)
cheers
greg
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Don't worry Greg - Container is safe!!!
Yeah, mine arrived safely on a container too. There's risk with every form of transportation and you weigh up which way you want to go and there's also insurance if you want peace of mind but you can also get screwed there too.
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Amaury - great to see she arrived safe and sound, after all the dramas we have been through with our dodgy mate we need some good news
Mine is insured and on the water now, not too stressed but yep, it is the wait that is the pain
So is the 67 registered and terrorising the locals yet :)
cheers
greg
Greg, not yet registered as I am fixing a few things that our doggy mate left as a surprise for me - like the fuel tank which looked new from the outside but the inside was full of crap...rust falling appart!! Ordering a new tank!
Check these photos - not sure if it is the orignal fuel tank which has been repainted on the outside but inside is a rust bucket!
Will tell more about my story when I have some time!
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I am a fan of RO/RO and have shipped my car 3 times via this method. Only issue that I ever had was the second last time it was shipped, they left the ignition on and it killed the battery. I had to get jump started at the Port it arrived at and then I drove it straight out, filled up with fuel and did the 6 hour drive home (without shutting the engine off).
Marine insurance is a must, because I think there is always a roll of the dice no matter what way you ship.
I personally don't like how they pack containers and I have seen absolute horror stories there too.
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I am a fan of RO/RO and have shipped my car 3 times via this method. Only issue that I ever had was the second last time it was shipped, they left the ignition on and it killed the battery. I had to get jump started at the Port it arrived at and then I drove it straight out, filled up with fuel and did the 6 hour drive home
How is this still possible in 2018? Customs take their sweet time to arrange an inspection (up to a week lead time after the vehicle arrives) and typically the vehicle will not be held at the port for that length of time, so it's moved to a bonded warehouse somewhere in the surrounding 'burbs. From there it will usually fail the first quarantine inspection (what a surprise!) so you have to wait another couple of days while it is cleaned and reinspected before you can pick it up.
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the lure of saving a few bucks :banghead: ................buy cheap , buy twice...hey
Well, since 99.9% of the roll on roll off vehicles never sustain that type of damage, it seems like a reasonable option. No point n condemning the person for trying to save some money since this is a fairly isolated incident and couldn't have possibly known something like this could happen.
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People need to find the difference between Value and Cheap!
Ok then, so please explain to all of us just exactly how a novice or even others can do this in regards to shipping a car.
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It would all depend on how rough the seas were at the time and advisable to get insurance either way.
It also depends where the container is located with the bottom center of the ship having the least amount of movement, but obviously one can not choose where on the ship their car will be placed.
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The Cougar Ace was carrying a shipload of Mazdas.
On December 15, 2006, Mazda announced that all vehicles on the Cougar Ace would be scrapped.
Thank goodness for small miracles. :lmao:
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Wouldn't one place some sort of wheel blocks to stop it swaying side to side? I can't see the straps working too well against any sideways force.
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Those straps need to be crossed to give some lateral restraint. I work in aviation and when I see how things are restrained on trucks I'm amazed.
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How is this still possible in 2018? Customs take their sweet time to arrange an inspection (up to a week lead time after the vehicle arrives) and typically the vehicle will not be held at the port for that length of time, so it's moved to a bonded warehouse somewhere in the surrounding 'burbs. From there it will usually fail the first quarantine inspection (what a surprise!) so you have to wait another couple of days while it is cleaned and reinspected before you can pick it up.
Shipping cars into the US seemed to be easier than Australia. Each time I shipped the car, the red tape was getting tougher.
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Just read on Ausfish site 72 or 83 depending on news source , containers washed overboard from a container ship off port Stephens mid coast NSW in recent bad weather , wonder if any had cars in them'.
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It happens a lot and sometimes they push them off when in bad weather .
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Yep , worked in the :flag: merchant navy for nearly 20 yrs when younger , that happens
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I imported myself and I know of people who are importing via container all the time.
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While many only use straps, nearly all container shippers now use wood and place blocks around the wheel to ensure it doesn't move. The only horror story I know are cars that get damaged during loading/unloading.
I also knew a guy who had his container fall off a ship and the marine line didn't reimburse anything, they actually went after him for the shipping charges!
And apparently there are other problems with shipping classics if they don't run and drive without an issue, see here: https://www.wcshipping.com/blog/shipping-classic-cars-container-vs-roro