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Offline barnett468

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1225 on: April 16, 2016, 07:43:23 am »
Hey, if you feel up to it, set your intake on then place around .200" thickness of feeler gauge in the center between the block and intake where the end seal would go to space it up, then take two photos similar to this but from a little more head on of both sides of the intake so we can see the gaps . Use a feeler gauge in the rear also if you have two of them or fold up a piece of a file folder and use that as a spacer etc . Spacing both ends up will help make a more accurate representation of the intake gasket space . We may also be able to tell if your intake is square to the heads etc.



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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1226 on: April 16, 2016, 07:51:22 am »
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1227 on: April 16, 2016, 07:53:05 am »
That comment is just inhumane.  :lmao:

Geez, look who's talking!

OK, I guess unlike me you are helping him so get to amuse yourself along the way.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1228 on: April 16, 2016, 08:02:08 am »
Geez, look who's talking!

OK, I guess unlike me you are helping him so get to amuse yourself along the way.

Exactly...I feel entitled to abuse him some for all the CRAP he has put me through when he does NOT do exactly what I suggested.  :lmao:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1229 on: April 16, 2016, 08:05:35 am »
Page 50  :thud:  :cool:

We're going for a new record.  :thumb:

He did ask me if he should take his carburetors off to make the intake lighter and I said NO.  :lmao:
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1230 on: April 16, 2016, 08:14:05 am »
   :omg:  :lmao: .Take the carbs off,  NO WAY ,it would take another 10 pages to refit them  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1231 on: April 16, 2016, 08:26:58 am »
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1232 on: April 16, 2016, 08:42:44 am »
   :omg:  :lmao: .Take the carbs off,  NO WAY ,it would take another 10 pages to refit them  :lmao:

I think your estimate is rather conservative.  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1233 on: April 16, 2016, 08:50:46 am »
Gone a few hours and the knives are out...  :toetapping: :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1234 on: April 16, 2016, 09:03:48 am »
Gone a few hours and the knives are out...  :toetapping: :lmao:

We just wanted you to know that you have not been forgotten and that we are thinking of you...poorly. 

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1235 on: April 16, 2016, 09:14:25 am »
We just wanted you to know that you have not been forgotten and that we are thinking of you...poorly. 

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We've hit the 1/2 tonne  :flag:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1236 on: April 16, 2016, 09:22:08 am »

We've hit the 1/2 tonne  :flag:

Hey, get off the internet and your ass, and get us some intake and damper photos cuz some of us are tryin to get some work done here.  :lmao:

By the way, I was just wondering if the new oil from your intake that leaked onto your new driveway ran downhill any faster than the oil from your disconnected oil pressure hose did now that your drive has been "pre-lubricated"?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1237 on: April 16, 2016, 09:39:48 am »
Hey, get off the internet and your ass, and get us some intake and damper photos cuz some of us are tryin to get some work done here.  :lmao:


By the way, I was just wondering if the new oil from your intake that leaked onto your new driveway ran downhill any faster than the oil from your disconnected oil pressure hose did now that your drive has been "pre-lubricated"?

Page 30, damper.

Pump the brakes, it's 9.30 Sat morning..  :lmao:


Your living in the past...  :lol:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1238 on: April 16, 2016, 09:46:14 am »
Page 30, damper.

Totally useless photo because it was not taken from where I asked for it to be taken from, but again, you are certainly free to spend 4 more hours trying to dial your timing in instead of four minutes, and trying to see your current un-seeable timing pointer if that's what you prefer.  :thumb:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1239 on: April 16, 2016, 10:10:26 am »
Totally useless photo because it was not taken from where I asked for it to be taken from, but again, you are certainly free to spend 4 more hours trying to dial your timing in instead of four minutes, and trying to see your current un-seeable timing pointer if that's what you prefer.  :thumb:

I'll get some photos shortly..

Sound like my wife this morning. Nag, nag, nag...  :lmao: :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1240 on: April 16, 2016, 10:19:34 am »
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I am wanting to get some gaskets that have a small water port that matches the head water port fairly closely because they will give you more sealing area so less chance of a leak . Others can see the list also now and offer suggestions.

Pro Port heads . Intake runner 2.00 x 1.125 . Recommended gasket fel pro 1262




GASKETS

original and current gaskets are fel pro 1262

2.100 x 1.28 x .060

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fel-1262/overview/make/ford



Cometic 2.120 X 1.280 X .060 w small water ports aramid fiber . hey aso make hese .094" thick p/n C5652-094

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cgt-c5652-060/overview/make/ford



Trick Flow 2.250 x 1.40 x .060

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tfs-2855/overview/make/ford




http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tfs-52400922/overview/make/ford





Trick Flow 2.250 x 1.40 x .061

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tfs-52400921/overview/make/ford




Mr Gasket standard 2.130 x 1.200 x .125

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-213/overview/make/ford




Mr Gasket standard 2.130 x 1.200 x .063

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-203g/overview/make/ford




Mr Gasket ultra seal 2.130 1.200 Has non stick coating so silicone may not adhere.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-5831/overview/make/ford




Accuseal SCE 2.140 x 1.300 x .062

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sce-136102/overview/make/ford




Accuseal SCE 2.140 x 1.300 x .062 . Has single side silicone bead.

Oz Ebay

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SCE-Gaskets-Gasket-Manifold-Intake-AccuSeal-Pro-Ford-Small-Block-Set-236102-/390980019884

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sce-236102/overview/make/mercury


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1241 on: April 17, 2016, 09:56:36 am »
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INTAKE INSTALLATION

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1242 on: April 17, 2016, 10:05:38 am »
I use one sealer on intakes, Black Max, around the water jackets, both sides and at each end valley. FE engine I glue the ports as well

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1243 on: April 17, 2016, 11:38:40 am »
I use one sealer on intakes, Black Max, around the water jackets, both sides and at each end valley. FE engine I glue the ports as well

Shaun are you referring to the stuff in the link below?

http://www.na.henkel-adhesives.com/adhesives/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797890609153

or this?

http://www.na.henkel-adhesives.com/adhesives/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797922361345

Loc-Tite makes a silicone that is identical to the Permatex Ultra Black but I forgot the name and haven't looked it up yet, however I think it is the 598 above . The Ultra Grey is slightly thicker than the Ultra black and is OEM approved for Toyota so it is likely similar if not the same as their 103 FIPG sealer but at a lower cost.

We can't determine for certain why it didn't seal because he removed the gaskets so there was nothing to take photos of, however, he did find some clear silicone where the head meets the block which is where it was leaking oil so he missed that when he cleaned it because it was clear, but the water leak was pretty massive so I was hoping to get some photos to try and see what happened there . The Fel-Pro gaskets do have a habbit of distorting under pressure so it may be that they distorted around the water jacket area which is an easy fix, but without any photos there is no way to tell.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1244 on: April 17, 2016, 08:00:01 pm »
My bad I meant Ultra Black, I use it for everything pretty much. I also some times use Yammy Bond , now known as 3 Bond some times, they have an orange one I use solid aneiled copper head gaskets on o ringed blocks.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1245 on: April 18, 2016, 01:57:42 am »
My bad I meant Ultra Black, I use it for everything pretty much. I also some times use Yammy Bond , now known as 3 Bond some times, they have an orange one I use solid aneiled copper head gaskets on o ringed blocks.

Ok, thanks . Yeah I old him to use Ultra Black but I don't know if he did, but I also mentioned that intakes can be hard to seal even for experienced people.

Do you know where he can get the SCE Accuseal Pro or Mr gasket standard or Cometic or Trick Flow premium gaskets in OZ? . I really, don't want him to use the Fel-Pro 1262's again, and understandably, he wants to get them right away.

It would be nice if he lived close to you or GLENN or boofhead and could bribe one of you guys with some fine, cold, tasty FOSTERS LAGER to come give him a hand with this part. :lmao:





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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1246 on: April 18, 2016, 07:53:53 am »
Barnett .Shaun , Boofhead and myself are very lucky we live 2000 Klms /1200 miles away thank you   :grin: .  He is lucky you  are here to help him and only live around  13,000 klms/ 8,000 miles away  :lmao: .

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1247 on: April 18, 2016, 09:01:11 am »
Barnett .Shaun , Boofhead and myself are very lucky we live 2000 Klms /1200 miles away thank you   :grin:

Yeah, I would definitely be right over if I lived nearby...NOT!  :bolt: 

 
He is lucky you  are here to help him and only live around  13,000 klms/ 8,000 miles away  :lmao: .

The only reason I'm helping him is cuz you guys are too lazy to type more than a sentence or two . Or maybe you're just afraid that all that typing might bruise your typing finger and you won't be able to go Lawn Bowling.  :lmao:

ummm...maybe we should have written our names on the balls.  :lmao:




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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1248 on: April 18, 2016, 09:37:39 am »
Why should we type all that information when we have you to do it  :grin:  And yes  I have  to look after my fingers and don't want to bruise them  :thumb:  and yes we lawn bowlers are a SPECIAL  bunch of grannies  and gentleman .

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1249 on: April 18, 2016, 09:41:35 am »
And by the way , we here in Australia like to sleep at night for 7-8 hrs per night . Not like someone we know on here,  BARNETT .