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Offline GEOFF289

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1150 on: April 14, 2016, 06:23:13 pm »
So are we nearly back to tuning the Webers where we started?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1151 on: April 14, 2016, 06:24:27 pm »
By perfect, i hope you mean no spitting through the carbs and backfiring like it used to...

What do you mean? . That is what a true fire breathing "race car" is supposed to do.  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1152 on: April 14, 2016, 06:26:40 pm »
So are we nearly back to tuning the Webers where we started?

Yes, after maybe only 3 more hours to finalize the timing . It only took him 4 hours to move the plug wires 180 degrees and turn the distributor a little .  :lmao:

Perhaps he should also start a new thread for that one.  :thud:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1153 on: April 14, 2016, 06:27:08 pm »
well if he is so smart than why didn't you have him tell you exactly how to install the cam and set up the distributor gear and timing chain and tell you which parts were good and where to get them .  :lmao:

C'mon he's an electrician. What do they know about anything ?  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1154 on: April 14, 2016, 06:28:04 pm »
So are we nearly back to tuning the Webers where we started?

We have come full circle Geoff  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1155 on: April 14, 2016, 06:29:53 pm »
C'mon he's an electrician. What do they know about anything ?  :lmao:

Your right, otherwise he might have told ya that if your car actually started, it wouldn't shut off with the fkn KEY.

You and him are bigger clowns than Laurel and Hardy.  :thumb:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1156 on: April 14, 2016, 06:31:57 pm »
Your right, otherwise he might have told ya that if your car actually started, it wouldn't shut off with the fkn KEY.

You and him are bigger clowns than Laurel and Hardy.  :thumb:

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Well, he actually had a bit of a giggle about that earlier...  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1157 on: April 14, 2016, 06:34:05 pm »
Well, he actually had a bit of a giggle about that earlier...  :lmao:

He must be friends with your engine builder and doesn't like you either.  :lmao:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1158 on: April 14, 2016, 06:34:49 pm »
Once this thread is done.

We can move the party back to the Carb Issues thread...

 :thumb:  :lmao:

OMG, you don't have a CARBURETOR.  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1159 on: April 14, 2016, 06:37:00 pm »
YOU DON'T HAVE A CARB .  :lmao:

Tomato, tomato...


Just think of all the good times still to be had if we have to pull the Webers apart...  :thumb: :lmao: :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1160 on: April 14, 2016, 06:39:27 pm »
Tomato, tomato...


Just think of all the good times still to be had if we have to pull the Webers apart...  :thumb: :lmao: :lmao:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1161 on: April 14, 2016, 06:49:03 pm »
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1162 on: April 15, 2016, 03:02:14 am »
OK, BEFORE TOUCHING ANYTHING, YOU MUST DO THE FOLLOWING:.

1. ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU YESTERDAY AFTER YOU MARKED THE DISTRIBUTOR.

2. ANSWER ALL NEW QUESTIONS.

3. EXPLAIN TEST RESULTS IN DETAIL.

4. DO NOT ASK MORE THAN ONE QUESTION PER HOUR.


NEW QUESTIONS

DO YOU HAVE A THERMOSTAT?

DOES YOUR TIMING COVER HAVE THIS SMALL HOLE 40 MM TO THE LEFT OF THE FUEL PUMP MOUNTING HOLE OR DOES IT HAVE A 12 MM DIAMETER POST THAT STICKS OUT 20 MM?


THINGS TO DO THIS MORNING.

TAKE A PHOTO OF THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR DAMPER FROM AROUND 3 FEET AWAY AS YOU STAND ON THE SIDE OF THE OTHER FENDER.

TAKE A CLOSE UP PHOTO OF THE FRONT OF YOUR TIMING COVER BY THE FUEL PUMP.

TAKE A PHOTO OF THE "CARBS" FROM THE SIDES SO WE CAN SEE THE THROTTLE LINKAGE.

TAKE A CLOSE UP PHOTO OF THE THROTTLE LINKKAGE FROM THE SIDE OF THE CARBS.

IF YOU CAN GET THIS NEARBY TODAY, BUY A US SIZE NUMBER 10 X 24 THREAD BOLT OR SCREW AROUND 3/8" TO 1/2" LONG AND 3 FLAT WASHERS WITH A FAIRLY LARGE OUTSIDE DIAMETER LIKE 10 MM . NUMBER 10 IS THE SAME SIZE AS 3/16".




.............................................. POST TYPE ON EARLY CARS

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IF YOU CAN SEE A TIMING POINTER EASIER FROM THE OTHER SIDE, I MAY HAVE YOU BUY THIS ORIGINAL STYLE POINTER OR MAKE ONE FROM A COAT HANGER . UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR RADIATOR HOSE MAY OBSTRUCT YOUR VIEW . IF IT DOES, WE CAN MAKE A COAT HANGER ONE AND MAKE IT SO IT IS LONGER AND PUT THE TIMING MARKS ON THE PULLEY IF WE NEED TO.

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THIS IS HOW TO MAKE A TIMING POINTER

1. get a 10 x 24 hex head bolt 3/8" long for the tiny open hole you see in your photo and a flat washer for the screw and a 6" piece of 12 or 14 gauge [small diameter] solid copper wire around two inches long.

2. remove the plastic coating from the wire and put a small loop in one end of the wire just big enough for the screw to go through.

3. put a 90 degree bend in it around 1/2" away from the loop so the end will stick out over the damper.

4. put the washer on the screw then lightly tighten it to see if clears the damper . . bend it until it fits properly then cut the extra length rotate it to the proper position then tighten the screw with moderate force.

Notice that the end of the pointer is slightly to the left of the bolt . . simply rotate your wire until it is close to the same location then put white out on the end.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1163 on: April 15, 2016, 05:55:06 am »
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You have one broken screw and 3 loose screws on the base of the throttle linkage tower.

ARE THESE SCREWS NOW TIGHT?


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1164 on: April 15, 2016, 09:00:55 am »
VIDEO ANALYSIS

VIDEO 1

The engine does not have quite enough advance . Around 5 degrees more will make it happy.

I can not hear any backfiring, just a rough idle.


VIDEO 2

Is this with the timing advanced once or twice from the mark on the distributor and block?

This seems to idle a little smoother than video 1 and timing seems to be be almost perfect . It might idle a little smoother with 2 more degrees and it might not . It probably does not need more than 2 degrees more.

I can not hear any backfiring,  just a rough idle.

Your idle will increase a little and smooth out a little once the engine has run for maybe 5 minutes.

It may run a little smoother if we fk with the carbs, HOWEVER, it is NOT going to idle like your new $90,000.00 "semi multi fuel" turbo chraged land cruiser.

The way it idles in video 2 is pretty much how it is going to idle because it i a 'race car" an your previous cam should have been similar but maybe not quite as rough . its hard to say.



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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1165 on: April 15, 2016, 09:19:29 am »
     :omg:  It lives ,its alive  :birthday: :banana: :banana: :elefant: :pepper: :fingerx: :cool:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1166 on: April 15, 2016, 09:41:41 am »
     :omg:  It lives ,its alive  :birthday: :banana: :banana: :elefant: :pepper: :fingerx: :cool:

Yes but now he wants to f'k with it until it doesn't  :lmao:

VIDEO 1

The engine was cold and he had to keep his foot on the gas slightly to keep it running.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vlqmU7uGHU&feature=youtu.be


VIDEO 2

This was taken 5 minutes later afer I had him advance the timing . I am uncertain how far it is advanced for this test because he has not told me even though I have asked him FOUR TIMES.  :shrug:

It runs a hair smother plus he did not have to keep his foot on the pedal . This is acceptable and very, very close because it will be a tiny bit better after the engine is warm.   :thumb:

We are doing all this WITHOUT a timing lite....don't ask why.  :thud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InQEJKeuckU&feature=youtu.be
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1167 on: April 15, 2016, 10:35:14 am »
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oops...looks like we have water injection into the oil and the rear of the intake is leaking.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1168 on: April 15, 2016, 10:38:42 am »
But it would be nice to put a timing light on it to see what its doing  :grin: .  Fitzy go buy a timing light if you don't own one .

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1169 on: April 15, 2016, 10:44:26 am »
But it would be nice to put a timing light on it to see what its doing  :grin: .  Fitzy go buy a timing light if you don't own one .

Well, he has a timing lite but cant see the pointer his expert engine builder put on this side of his engine.
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This s why I suggested a pointer on the other side.  :thumb:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1170 on: April 15, 2016, 10:50:47 am »
If you dont have a timing light, put a vacuum gauge on it and advance the timing till you get max vacuum, you may need to retard it from there  later but this will make it run the best to start with

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1171 on: April 15, 2016, 10:53:28 am »
If you dont have a timing light, put a vacuum gauge on it and advance the timing till you get max vacuum, you may need to retard it from there  later but this will make it run the best to start with

shaun, see my post above . you must have missed it.

He also has some water in the oil and a leak at the back of the intake, so it looks like it did not seal properly . At least that is the hope instead of the timing cover.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1172 on: April 15, 2016, 10:57:28 am »
Hmm a plastic fan and no fan shroud . You want to see to that so it doesn't over heat in traffic ,whoops I forgot its a race engine .

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1173 on: April 15, 2016, 11:03:49 am »
Hmm a plastic fan and no fan shroud . You want to see to that so it doesn't over heat in traffic ,whoops I forgot its a race engine .

I have never seen a fan with that steep of a pitch either . Must be some top secret race stuff and is made from prefabulated amulite or something . Or perhaps the builder used that type so the blades wouldn't go thru the bonnet when they fly off.

 :lmao:

Also notice the "auxiliary" fan belt sheaves . If the other one wears out in the middle of a race, you can just move the belt forward.  :thumb:

I'm pretty sure his industrial strength alternator bracket won't break though.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1174 on: April 15, 2016, 11:09:44 am »
Hardy ha friggin ha  :lmao:  :cry:


It was so good to hear it run, and actually run and not grenade itself...

So i did all the hard stuff right it seems but now something as simple as a leak...

FFS  :ouch: :ouch: :ouch: :ouch:

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