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Offline GLENN 70

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #575 on: March 18, 2016, 04:18:27 pm »
I just googled it  :omg:  :sick:  say no more

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #576 on: March 18, 2016, 04:22:34 pm »
I just googled it  :omg:  :sick:  say no more

Which one?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #577 on: March 18, 2016, 04:29:12 pm »
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.......................... Lemon party?  :shrug:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #578 on: March 18, 2016, 04:56:58 pm »
That's a lemonade party ,you do want to know what a lemon party is ,Trust me . Lets drop the subject .

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #579 on: March 18, 2016, 05:19:42 pm »
That's a lemonade party ,you do want to know what a lemon party is ,Trust me . Lets drop the subject .

Strawberry party?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #580 on: March 18, 2016, 05:28:07 pm »
I just googled it  :omg:  :sick:  say no more


 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I knew it would get someone.

Sorry Glenn  :therethere:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #581 on: March 18, 2016, 05:29:39 pm »
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5731 views.  :thumb:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #582 on: March 18, 2016, 05:31:38 pm »

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I knew it would get someone.

Sorry Glenn  :therethere:

Is it something Caitlin Jenner or maybe a Rugby player would enjoy, or perhaps a Lawn Bowler?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #583 on: March 18, 2016, 05:32:56 pm »
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Does it have something to do with Lemon Pie?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #584 on: March 18, 2016, 05:33:42 pm »
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Lemon Meringue Pie?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #585 on: March 19, 2016, 06:58:25 am »
Hey, you should be done by now or are you still at your lemon party?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #586 on: March 19, 2016, 02:01:37 pm »
Afternoon,

Tied it on yesterday with a few too many   :cheers:  :sick:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #587 on: March 19, 2016, 02:27:05 pm »
Afternoon,

Tied it on yesterday with a few too many   :cheers:  :sick:

Was that before or after your fruit party with the Rugby players whom are a zillion times less gay than NFL players?
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #588 on: March 19, 2016, 02:49:23 pm »
You need to start a new thread like " Do you need to put air in your tyres?"

Had an interesting occurrence a few decades ago. My friends engine reconditioning business had rebuilt a dual overhead camshaft cylinder Toyota Celica head for a RAAF know it all but had to quiz him on how he was degreeing the cams on fitting the head as he had bent the valves. He thought you just bolted it on and throw the belt on it. What is mostly obvious to many who play with engines is totally outside of others ken!

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #589 on: March 19, 2016, 03:20:54 pm »
Was that before or after your fruit party with the Rugby players whom are a zillion times less gay than NFL players?

After mate, after..

Trying to work out where we are up to with this heap of junk...


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #590 on: March 19, 2016, 04:14:08 pm »
After mate, after..

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Trying to work out where we are up to with this heap of junk...

1. Order the drill . I posted 2 places you can get it from . Lowes may deliver it sooner.

2 Do your distributor now as I previously described then drill it after you get the drill.

3. After you have the gear in place, clean the teeth then put white out on them and on the bottom.

4. Install the distributor with the clamp and recheck the clearance between the gear and the block while pushing down on the top of the shaft with moderate force . You do NOT need the pin installed to do this unless it installed easily, which it shouldn't have.

5. If there is between .003" and .006" clearance the best you can measure it, install the cam gear, hold the distributor shaft and spin the cam gear clockwise maybe 20 times.

6. Post a photo of the gear.

7. Assuming all is well, put it away.

8. Remove the timing chain gear.

9. Remove and drill the lifter galley plugs and drill them if you haven't yet.

10. Put cam oil on the cam distributor gear and thrust surfaces and bearings on the cam, the timing chain gear and the bearings on the retainer plate.

11. Install the retainer plate bolts and torque to proper spec . You can use blue Loc Tite if you want.

12. Make sure the 0 mark on the lower timing chain gear is pointing straight upwards.

13. Rotate the top gear so the 0 mark on it is facing directly downwards.

14. Rotate the cam so the pin clocked so it will align with the hole in the gear.

15. Install the timing chain on both gears.

16. Move both gears a little at a time until both are fully seated . It is sometimes necessary to tap the cam gear lightly to get it on, however, do NOT hammer on it or the timing chain itself.

17. Put the car in 3rd gear with the parking brake on and torque the cam bolt . Use some blue Loc Tite if you have it.

18. Pour engine oil on the timing chain.

19. Put engine oil on the lifters and install the lifters.

20. Put engine oil on the ends of the push rods and install them.

21. Install the the rocker arms . If you did NOT turn the adjusting screws out 2 turns as I previously suggested, you must do this first.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2016, 04:26:45 pm by barnett468 »

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #591 on: March 19, 2016, 04:52:53 pm »
Put moly grease or cam/engine assembly, Lucas etc  lube on the gear so it has something slippery on it while it beds in. Penrite make a moly assembly lube, I use this on the push rods, gears etc etc
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #592 on: March 19, 2016, 04:59:35 pm »
Put moly grease or cam/engine assembly, Lucas etc  lube on the gear so it has something slippery on it while it beds in. Penrite make a moly assembly lube, I use this on the push rods, gears etc etc

He has some Penrite cam break in/assembly oil he could use, however those chains are prestretched so that helps some.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #593 on: March 19, 2016, 05:02:12 pm »
He has some Penrite cam break in/assembly oil he could use, however those chains are prestretched so that helps some.
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MSD give you a tube of lube for the gear in the box now

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #594 on: March 19, 2016, 05:12:31 pm »
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1. Order the drill . I posted 2 places you can get it from . Lowes may deliver it sooner.

2 Do your distributor now as I previously described then drill it after you get the drill.

3. After you have the gear in place, clean the teeth then put white out on them and on the bottom.

4. Install the distributor with the clamp and recheck the clearance between the gear and the block while pushing down on the top of the shaft with moderate force . You do NOT need the pin installed to do this unless it installed easily, which it shouldn't have.

5. If there is between .003" and .006" clearance the best you can measure it, install the cam gear, hold the distributor shaft and spin the cam gear clockwise maybe 20 times.

6. Post a photo of the gear.

7. Assuming all is well, put it away.

8. Remove the timing chain gear.

9. Remove and drill the lifter galley plugs and drill them if you haven't yet.

10. Put cam oil on the cam distributor gear and thrust surfaces and bearings on the cam, the timing chain gear and the bearings on the retainer plate.

11. Install the retainer plate bolts and torque to proper spec . You can use blue Loc Tite if you want.

12. Make sure the 0 mark on the lower timing chain gear is pointing straight upwards.

13. Rotate the top gear so the 0 mark on it is facing directly downwards.

14. Rotate the cam so the pin clocked so it will align with the hole in the gear.

15. Install the timing chain on both gears.

16. Move both gears a little at a time until both are fully seated . It is sometimes necessary to tap the cam gear lightly to get it on, however, do NOT hammer on it or the timing chain itself.

17. Put the car in 3rd gear with the parking brake on and torque the cam bolt . Use some blue Loc Tite if you have it.

18. Pour engine oil on the timing chain.

19. Put engine oil on the lifters and install the lifters.

20. Put engine oil on the ends of the push rods and install them.

21. Install the the rocker arms . If you did NOT turn the adjusting screws out 2 turns as I previously suggested, you must do this first.

Awesome,  :thumb:

With 21, i was going to ask about this. Is that because they have the internal oil hole in the rocker ? I vaguely remember something from T&D about this with the shaft mount rockers.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #595 on: March 19, 2016, 05:30:14 pm »
Awesome,  :thumb:

With 21, i was going to ask about this. Is that because they have the internal oil hole in the rocker ? I vaguely remember something from T&D about this with the shaft mount rockers.

You have to back the screws out so the lifters aren't holding any valves open and don't run any valves into the pistons.

I told you t back the screws out when you disassembled it so you wouldn't have to do it later and wouldn't have to wonder if you did it.

If you have a printer, print the instructions out and check each one off as you do it.

Once the cam gear is properly located and tested for fit again, the rest of it will easily fly together . If the gear ain't right, you can plan on doing this again real soon..
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #596 on: March 19, 2016, 07:36:00 pm »
You have to back the screws out so the lifters aren't holding any valves open and don't run any valves into the pistons.

I told you t back the screws out when you disassembled it so you wouldn't have to do it later and wouldn't have to wonder if you did it.

If you have a printer, print the instructions out and check each one off as you do it.

Once the cam gear is properly located and tested for fit again, the rest of it will easily fly together . If the gear ain't right, you can plan on doing this again real soon..
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Ahh ok.

I know T&D have a specific process for the setup for those screws for the internal oiling, i just can't find it.

Will the 2 turns out etc account for that on reassembly ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #597 on: March 19, 2016, 07:57:28 pm »
Ahh ok.

I know T&D have a specific process for the setup for those screws for the internal oiling, i just can't find it.

Will the 2 turns out etc account for that on reassembly ?

Turn the screws out 2 turns if you did no do it earier as i suggested.

After you turn them out you can reinstall them.

Put each cylinder o top dead center fire position before you install them.

if they start to compress a valve as you install them STOP.

I will tel you how to easily find tdc for each cylinder tomorrow but it will help if you have a cloth measuring tape.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #598 on: March 20, 2016, 08:16:11 pm »
Is there only one hole on the crane gear for a reason ?

We drill through the other side ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #599 on: March 20, 2016, 09:15:39 pm »
Is there only one hole on the crane gear for a reason ?

We drill through the other side ?

 the hole is a guide you drill all the way through