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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #450 on: March 02, 2016, 12:49:01 pm »
The MSD is a different shape around the non critical bits, that why it snuck past.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #451 on: March 02, 2016, 02:02:13 pm »
The MSD is a different shape around the non critical bits, that why it snuck past.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #452 on: March 15, 2016, 10:23:10 am »
Knock on the door this morning, it was like xmas  :pepper: :pepper:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #453 on: March 15, 2016, 04:12:53 pm »
that is too dark . please post a better photo.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #454 on: March 16, 2016, 11:44:56 am »
GET THE LONG BOLT TO INSTALL THE CAM WITH

CHECK THE CAM END PLAY THE WAY I DESCRIBED

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #455 on: March 17, 2016, 11:51:52 am »
All parts have arrived......   :evilone:


I want another 20 pages on this thread by the end of the weekend....  :lol:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #456 on: March 17, 2016, 12:08:23 pm »
All parts have arrived......   :evilone:


I want another 20 pages on this thread by the end of the weekend....  :lol:

xlnt, now...the end of the cam with the threaded hole goes in last .  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #457 on: March 17, 2016, 12:09:57 pm »
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...and the gear goes on the end of the cam.  :hi:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #458 on: March 17, 2016, 12:10:49 pm »
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Well is it in yet?  :bolt:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #459 on: March 17, 2016, 12:11:32 pm »
xlnt, now...the end of the cam with the threaded hole goes in last .  :lmao:

Now, now...  :toetapping:


MEASURE THE VERY END OF THE DISTRIBUTOR SHAFT THAT GOES IN THE HOLE IN THE BLOCK

MEASURE IT 25 MM UP FROM THE BOTTOM.


And ????


The new gear slides on a little tighter than the old one but i could still do it by hand though

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #460 on: March 17, 2016, 12:15:06 pm »
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Well is it in yet?

Funny, i was asked the same thing by my wife the other day after one to many drinks ?  :wtf:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #461 on: March 17, 2016, 12:16:17 pm »
Now, now...  :toetapping:


MEASURE THE VERY END OF THE DISTRIBUTOR SHAFT THAT GOES IN THE HOLE IN THE BLOCK

MEASURE IT 25 MM UP FROM THE BOTTOM.


And ????


The new gear slides on a little tighter than the old one but i could still do it by hand though


Hey, at least it will be easy to install.  :lmao:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #462 on: March 17, 2016, 12:18:08 pm »
guess you'll be lookin fur a machine shop.

there is another way to fix it but but it is kinda tricky.

just stuff your cam in for now, we'll deal with distributor after the cam is in.

do NOT install the cam gear.

DID YOU DRILL THE HOLES IN THE GALLEY PLUGS YET?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #463 on: March 17, 2016, 12:20:33 pm »
guess you'll be lookin fur a machine shop.

there is another way to fix it but but it is kinda tricky.


FFS !! :cry:


Righto,

Whats the other way ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #464 on: March 17, 2016, 12:52:06 pm »

FFS !! :cry:


Righto,

Whats the other way ?


You need a small, very sharp punch . a 2 x 4 and a hammer . and a lot of skill or luck.

your shaft has 3 steps, if you have a punch, lay the distributor on its side on a rag then shim the shaft up until it is parallel to the work bench, then whack the middle step ABOVE where the top of the gear would g as a test the post a photo of it.










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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #465 on: March 17, 2016, 12:59:41 pm »

You need a small, very sharp punch . a 2 x 4 and a hammer . and a lot of skill or luck.

your shaft has 3 steps, if you have a punch, lay the distributor on its side on a rag then shim the shaft up until it is parallel to the work bench, then whack the middle step ABOVE where the top of the gear would g as a test the post a photo of it.

ok,

Is the punch facing straight down or at an angle to lift the metal as i assume this is what we are hoping to do

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #466 on: March 17, 2016, 01:11:53 pm »
Cam is in, no stingy lube job either  :lol:

Found it easier to get back in than out.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #467 on: March 17, 2016, 01:20:17 pm »
Cam is in, no stingy lube job either  :lol:

Found it easier to get back in than out.

xlnt, and i told you it would be easier to get back in than out . you are on the downhill run now . i told ya you could do it :thumb:

do NOT punch it at an angle.

hit it with light force at first . it only needs to raise it a tiny bit because you will be punching it maybe 20 times if this works . if your shaft is hard it might not work.

...ok, this is starting to sound a little gay.




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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #468 on: March 17, 2016, 01:36:27 pm »
Yes, very gay..

" Not that there is anything wrong with that"


Punch works well.

Where am i punching it in relation to the gear and roll pin hole ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #469 on: March 17, 2016, 01:36:42 pm »
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punch it one time where i told you then post a photo . it you punch it too hard, the gear will not go on and you will have to file a little.

the distributor s the most difficult part and i have been avoiding it like the plague.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #470 on: March 17, 2016, 01:44:16 pm »
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punch it one time where i told you then post a photo . it you punch it too hard, the gear will not go on and you will have to file a little.

the distributor s the most difficult part and i have been avoiding it like the plague.


I can't get a decent photo where you can see it clear enough.

But the gear does catch on it pretty well so with 20 or so it will definitely be a tight fit.



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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #471 on: March 17, 2016, 01:54:19 pm »
ok, put a punch mark between the pin holes, then clamp the end of the shaft that is closest to the distributor in a vice but put a rag around the shaft.

put some assembly lube on the part that the gear will be then install the gear to around the same distance the other one was

next you will install the distributor WITHOUT the clamp but push it down until it is seated.

next try to put your thinnest feeler gauge between the gear and the block . then push down lightly on the top of the shaft then try to remove the feeler gauge.

you want the gear so it is around .005" from the block but because your block pad is now grooved, this will be hard to measure.

after this, you can install the front cam gear and barely tighten the bolt, then put white grease on the dist gear and install it then rotate the cam one full turn then post a photo of the dist gear.

NEVER EVER BEAT ON THE SHAFT UNLESS IT IS IN A VICE OTHERWISE YOU WILL INSTANTLY RUIN THE DISTRIBUTOR BEARINGS



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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #472 on: March 17, 2016, 02:20:00 pm »
ok, put a punch mark between the pin holes, then clamp the end of the shaft that is closest to the distributor in a vice but put a rag around the shaft.

put some assembly lube on the part that the gear will be then install the gear to around the same distance the other one was

next you will install the distributor WITHOUT the clamp but push it down until it is seated.

next try to put your thinnest feeler gauge between the gear and the block . then push down lightly on the top of the shaft then try to remove the feeler gauge.

you want the gear so it is around .005" from the block but because your block pad is now grooved, this will be hard to measure.

after this, you can install the front cam gear and barely tighten the bolt, then put white grease on the dist gear and install it then rotate the cam one full turn then post a photo of the dist gear.

NEVER EVER BEAT ON THE SHAFT UNLESS IT IS IN A VICE OTHERWISE YOU WILL INSTANTLY RUIN THE DISTRIBUTOR BEARINGS


Installed the gear to spot on with the roll pin hole. Clearance is around .005 but as you said the pad isn't exactly flat as there is a small lip on the outside so the feel gauge goes in on a very slight angle which obviously makes it a bit touch and go.

I'll have to go and get some white grease. Did have some but i cant find it

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #473 on: March 17, 2016, 02:30:58 pm »
do you have any liguid white out or white or yellow spray paint?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #474 on: March 17, 2016, 02:59:07 pm »
do you have any liguid white out or white or yellow spray paint?

Yeah, do you just want the paint on the raised gear area or the whole thing ?  :lol: