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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #425 on: February 28, 2016, 06:20:06 pm »
.001 you could just put it in the oven, for 20 min, put the shaft in dry ice will slide straight on

 Barrent things cost more because the minimum wage is higher. Min wage here is about $18, just to flip burgers. Shops can be held responsible but you have to take them to small claims court, not worth the effort. Suck it up and move on. Any decent shop will be charging well over $100 an hour. Not to mention the local importer of parts rape you as well. In real terms it probably works out the same all considered. Particularly if you consider our health care and subsidized pharmaceuticals, government provided old age pension etc.  Also as an employer you have to pay about 9% on top of the wages into a government approved superannuation fund for the employ. When I worked for Telstra they paid 18% I think its all relative, and you dont have to worry about the company going broke and running off with your money.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #426 on: February 28, 2016, 06:54:05 pm »
Barrent things cost more because the minimum wage is higher. Min wage here is about $18, just to flip burgers. Shops can be held responsible but you have to take them to small claims court, not worth the effort. Suck it up and move on. Any decent shop will be charging well over $100 an hour. Not to mention the local importer of parts rape you as well. In real terms it probably works out the same all considered. Particularly if you consider our health care and subsidized pharmaceuticals, government provided old age pension etc.  Also as an employer you have to pay about 9% on top of the wages into a government approved superannuation fund for the employ. When I worked for Telstra they paid 18% I think its all relative, and you dont have to worry about the company going broke and running off with your money.

shaun, i based the $1600.00 at 16 hours at $100.00 an hour and we have to pay 35% of the employees wages.

if we pay a guy $10.00 an hour, we have to pay the gov $3.50.00 so we pay $13.50. we pay a guy $1,000.00 we pay an additional $350.00 so we actually pay $1350.00.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #427 on: February 28, 2016, 07:04:16 pm »
.001 you could just put it in the oven, for 20 min, put the shaft in dry ice will slide straight on

what it looks like is that msd makes an off size of .468 so you have to use their gears . the crane gear size is more common.

the melonized gears can not be heated over maybe 400 degrees or it will damage the coating and an additional .001 of interference may be too much to overcome.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #428 on: February 28, 2016, 07:19:38 pm »
Fitzy, my plan is to have at least .002" - .003" clearance between the gear and the block and then check gear mesh at that point and if the gear needs to go up, just move it up until it's happy.

you can not do this on a stock ford distributor because they do not use ball bearings, however, chevy has been doing this since they first started making the V8 and possibly since before that and you can do the same thing with any bal bearing distributor which your msd and some others are.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #429 on: February 28, 2016, 07:23:32 pm »
what it looks like is that msd makes an off size of .468 so you have to use their gears . the crane gear size is more common.

the melonized gears can not be heated over maybe 400 degrees or it will damage the coating and an additional .001 of interference may be too much to overcome.


Right, so looks like its MSD steel gear then.

What if anything do i do about the butchered shaft ? Will it effect anything ? If it will, ill have to find out if they can replace the shaft.

Failing that, new f'n distributor i'd say.

I'm going to phone the builder tomorrow regardless and try and get some answer as to why anyone there would do that.

It also looks like its been ground on the bottom as well, so i can only assume the shaft has been shortened also.

Is it also normal to cut and grind the vacuum advance canister off as well ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #430 on: February 28, 2016, 07:34:26 pm »

Right, so looks like its MSD steel gear then.

I already said i wouldn't do that but do whatever you want.


What if anything do i do about the butchered shaft ?

we need more photos and the photo with the felt pen on it . you only photod one side.


Will it effect anything ?

see answer above


If it will, ill have to find out if they can replace the shaft.

we will see.


Failing that, new f'n distributor i'd say.

we will see.


I'm going to phone the builder tomorrow regardless and try and get some answer as to why anyone there would do that.

also tell them the gear was too low on the shaft and this caused it to bind and you want them to pay for the parts.


It also looks like its been ground on the bottom as well, so i can only assume the shaft has been shortened also.

how special . send them photos and a bill for $1000.00 in parts.


Is it also normal to cut and grind the vacuum advance canister off as well ?

You gotta be F###in kidding . and this guy is one of the better race engine builders . my fkn grandma could do a better job and shes blind almost blind.

i would hate to see what a shitty engine builders engine looks like. .  :lmao:
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #431 on: February 28, 2016, 07:41:51 pm »
Fitzy, my plan is to have at least .002" - .003" clearance between the gear and the block and then check gear mesh at that point and if the gear needs to go up, just move it up until it's happy.

you can not do this on a stock ford distributor because they do not use ball bearings, however, chevy has been doing this since they first started making the V8 and possibly since before that and you can do the same thing with any bal bearing distributor which your msd and some others are.


Well at least that's a start, sounds good to me.


Should i start a new thread for that or keep with this one ?  :lol:


Might have to break out the  :nopity: otherwise.  :lmao:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #432 on: February 28, 2016, 07:43:26 pm »
I already said i wouldn't do that but do whatever you want.


we need more photos and the photo with the felt pen on it . you only photod one side.


see answer above


we will see.


we will see.


also tell them the gear was too low on the shaft and this caused it to bind and you want them to pay for the parts.


how special . send them photos and a bill for $1000.00 in parts.


You gotta be F###in kidding . and this guy is one of the better race engine builders . my fkn grandma could do a better job and shes blind almost blind.

i would hate to see what a shitty engine builders engine looks like. .  :lmao:
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It has the lockout fitted but there is all these grind marks near it and on the distributor housing

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #433 on: February 28, 2016, 07:54:14 pm »
Oh i didn't tell ya's about the vacuum canister ?  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #434 on: February 28, 2016, 07:55:33 pm »
They  have ground bottom face because it was hitting the clip that stops the drive shaft, coming out. I assume it has an arp pump drive? You often you often have to move the clip down a bit just to get the shaft in.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #435 on: February 28, 2016, 07:59:17 pm »
I didn't notice this till recently.

I understand things have to modified etc.

Looks like my 5 yr old went to town with a Dremel.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #436 on: February 28, 2016, 08:01:17 pm »
They  have ground bottom face because it was hitting the clip that stops the drive shaft, coming out. I assume it has an arp pump drive? You often you often have to move the clip down a bit just to get the shaft in.

no ya don't, ya can just grind the bottom of the dizzy down cuz thats obviously what the "professionals" do .  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #437 on: February 28, 2016, 08:05:04 pm »
I didn't notice this till recently.

I understand things have to modified etc.

Looks like my 5 yr old went to town with a Dremel.

OMG...pleeeease stop, I think I just peed my pants!






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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #438 on: February 28, 2016, 08:07:04 pm »
............. Man, this is way better than watchin GLENN Lawn Bowl!

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #439 on: February 28, 2016, 08:28:31 pm »

Hell, even this Chinese one would fit better!



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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #440 on: February 28, 2016, 08:56:27 pm »
Why didnt they just buy a pro billet without vac advance they come either way.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #441 on: February 28, 2016, 09:18:29 pm »
Why didnt they just buy a pro billet without vac advance they come either way.

Why when they can just do a hatchet job on the one they had.

It's "custom" made  :lmao:


Seriously it's lucky i have a sense of humor about all this.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #442 on: February 28, 2016, 09:39:19 pm »
It's "custom" made  :lmao:


And those are just some of the extra, special touches you get when you pay $18,000.00 for a "custom", "high performance" engine.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #443 on: February 28, 2016, 09:40:44 pm »
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oh...by the way...will you be taking your $90,000.00 Landcruiser to pick up parts in...or the rental?


OMG...there goes my spleen!

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #444 on: February 29, 2016, 05:12:15 am »
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WHAT IS THE EXACT DIAMETER OF YOUR DISTRIBUTOR SHAFT BELOW THE GEAR?

WHAT IS THE DIAMETER OF THE RAISED PAD ON THE BOTTOM OF THE GEAR?


I forgot to mention, that chinese distributor has a, 500" gear shaft and Crane just happens to make a .500" gear...hmmm.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/crn-36971-1/overview/


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #445 on: February 29, 2016, 06:07:54 pm »
You can buy this or call Summit and buy it direct . Ask if shipping to oz is free if you buy it thru Ebay and ask about shipping time.

Shaft size is .467 so the Crane gear will fit.


Ebay Pertronix p/n D130810 polished black HEI cap . $225.00 usd . $314.00 aud.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PerTronix-Distributor-D131810-/331724858510?hash=item4d3c57a48e:g:AOUAAOSwHQ9WYeY0


Ebay Pertronix p/n D130811 polished red HEI cap . $225.00 usd . $314.00 aud.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PerTronix-Distributor-D131811-/331724858505?hash=item4d3c57a489:g:TBMAAOSw8-tWYeZo


Summit Pertronix p/n D130810 polished black HEI cap . $254.00 usd . This price should be $225.00 usd

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pnx-d130810/overview/make/ford


Summit Pertronix p/n D130811 polished red HEI cap . $225.00 usd . $314.00 aud.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pnx-d130811/overview/make/ford


Ebay Crane p/n 360970-1 .467 melonized steel gear . $80.00 usd . $111.00 aud

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/36970-1-Crane-Cams-369701-Crane-Steel-Distributor-Magneto-Drive-Gear-/181789517385?hash=item2a537fe649:g:ncQAAOSwLVZVktfe


Summit Crane p/n 360970-1 .467 melonized steel gear . $72.00 . $101.00

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/crn-36970-1/overview/make/ford







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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #446 on: February 29, 2016, 09:40:43 pm »
I got some new pro billets here Ill measure one, and a Mallory comp 42 which is steel gear brand new, But its been ratted for the module and cap, your if you want it.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #447 on: March 01, 2016, 10:27:08 am »
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CAMSHAFT

Here's the cam in stock on their shelf and it is $30.00 less than Summit and they will ship it direct to you . Shipping cost might be $60.00 unless you want 3 day air.

Make sure this is the same cam number i gave you before.

They have a toll free number but it will not work from oz . call 920-233-1176 in your morning and ask for Eric.

http://www.competitionproducts.com/Howards-Mechanical-Roller-Camshaft-Ford-SB-221-302-351W/productinfo/220183-10/#.VtTO9ub4NLM


I called Howards and they said both of their cam machines broke 6 weeks ago but should have them fixed soon, lol.


CRANE CAM GEAR

Here is a list of Crane dealers in oz . Call and ask if they have the gear in their shop . Ask if it comes with a roll pin.

http://www.cranecams.com.au/index.php/where-to-buy

Crane p/n 36970-1

Snausage actually has one in stock.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #448 on: March 01, 2016, 02:31:22 pm »
WRT the dizzy.  Remember he has to clear quad webers with it.  It will have to be a small dia cap distributor. 

I'm not sure why the base of your old one was butchered like that.

BTW what block do you have.  My Dart SHP had a grub in the oil passage that hit a stock distributor but a MSD billet cleared fine.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #449 on: March 01, 2016, 03:51:55 pm »
BTW what block do you have.  My Dart SHP had a grub in the oil passage that hit a stock distributor but a MSD billet cleared fine.

This means the MSD was improperly designed.