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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #375 on: February 27, 2016, 02:42:59 pm »
Fitzy no offence mate but i think you Are out off your depth. I take it the builder has wiped his hands of it ? Give Woody a call on Monday tell him Shaun Power sent you. he wont be there today they are Lakeside testing Tran-ams.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #376 on: February 27, 2016, 02:46:27 pm »
How do upload larger photos ?

Imageshack or something ?

I don't know but yes, you can load them to image shack or flickr or the other photo bucket then post a link to them here.

I'm assuming that since I asked you four times what brand the timing gear is and you haven't answered me that you have no idea.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #377 on: February 27, 2016, 02:46:51 pm »
Fitzy no offence mate but i think you Are out off your depth. I take it the builder has wiped his hands of it ? Give Woody a call on Monday tell him Shaun Power sent you. he wont be there today they are Lakeside testing Tran-ams.

Yeah pretty much mate. The wanted to charge me a few grand to fix it.


f'n over it. Car owes me a small fortune with all the work in it. And it's sitting with guts out of it because of a friggin distributor  :lmao: :ouch:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #378 on: February 27, 2016, 02:47:55 pm »
In a nutshell

Is it fixable or do i ship it off to another builder.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #379 on: February 27, 2016, 02:49:58 pm »
In a nutshell

Is it fixable or do i ship it off to another builder.

For the second time, I'm pretty sure there will be no problem but it would be helpful to see how the gears mesh first.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #380 on: February 27, 2016, 02:53:20 pm »
For the second time, I'm pretty sure there will be no problem but it would be helpful to see how the gears mesh first.

I assume you'll need the new cam and gear for that yeah ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #381 on: February 27, 2016, 02:55:41 pm »
I assume you'll need the new cam and gear for that yeah ?

Yeah and so will every other builder in the world that knows what the fuk they are doing which yours obviously didn't . Ive only been ding this for 40 years but I could be wrong.

You have already done half the work  The only thing left to do is put it together as instructed . If you think you cant do that then ship it to a builder that hopefully knows how to properly set up a simply distributor gear and hand him a wad of cash, but I would make sure they warranty their work in writing this time. . Good luck with that .  :lmao:
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #382 on: February 27, 2016, 03:05:52 pm »
Yeah and so will every other builder in the world that knows what the fuk they are doing which yours obviously didn't . Ive only been ding this for 40 years but I could be wrong.

You have already done half the work  The only thing left to do is put it together as instructed . If you think you cant do that then ship it to a builder that hopefully knows how to properly set up a simply distributor gear and hand him a wad of cash, but I would make sure they warranty their work in writing this time. . Good luck with that .  :lmao:
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I'm happy to do it and i wan't to because i've learnt a shed load already.

Just frustrated. But i guess we'll all know when i fire it up for the first time.

It will either be a relatively easy fix to a degree or a catastrophic failure  :lmao: :lmao:

Anyway, not much else until the cam arrives yeah ?

Whats the deal with the grooves in the block ? Do they have to be removed, if so how ?
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #383 on: February 27, 2016, 03:24:15 pm »

I'm happy to do it and i wan't to because i've learnt a shed load already.

Just frustrated. But i guess we'll all know when i fire it up for the first time.

It will either be a relatively easy fix to a degree or a catastrophic failure  :lmao: :lmao:

Anyway, not much else until the cam arrives yeah ?

Whats the deal with the grooves in the block ? Do they have to be removed, if so how ?

It won't be a catastrophic failure...unless you possibly start drinkin heavily while you are working on it.

You can order the parts and drill your plugs and maybe get the gear pressed on and remove the cork and rubber gasket from the front of the engine.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #384 on: February 27, 2016, 04:00:24 pm »
Rightio.

Give me time to put the new seats, carpet, dash, gauges etc



Settle down everyone, i've got all that covered.

Won't need another 500 page thread

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #385 on: February 27, 2016, 05:43:50 pm »
Wouldn't hurt to give Woody a call anyways, if you are concerned, 073245 4450. They do a lot of the historic racing stuff, Group N, Trans-am, Old Bathurst heritage touring cars, they had one of the Benson & Hedges cosworth Ford Sierra's there last week for an engine rebuild. My concern is they may not have done other stuff correctly.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #386 on: February 27, 2016, 06:16:26 pm »
ok, that groove is in the front . if that is from wear, something is f'd up. . you may need a double bearing timing set.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #387 on: February 27, 2016, 06:24:35 pm »
ok, that groove is in the front . if that is from wear, something is f'd up. . you may need a double bearing timing set.



Ok, ill mount it that way and check the clearance.

How does that happen ?

I just haven't been able to find any plates with that groove so i can only assume it's wear


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #388 on: February 27, 2016, 06:26:09 pm »
check it what way?

i posted how to check it?

do NOT ever put that cam in the block again.


TIMING CHAIN

You need a Rollmasteer CS10025 if that is a wear groove.

It has TWO bearings.



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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #389 on: February 27, 2016, 06:38:29 pm »
check it what way?

i posted how to check it?

do NOT ever put that cam in the block again.


TIMING CHAIN

You need a Rollmasteer CS10025 if that is a wear groove.

It has TWO bearings.

With the groove facing the front.


I don't know why but i can get .010 in with no resistance up to .013 depending on where i put the feeler gauge but if move around to different points i'm lucky to get .008 in a couple of spots.

not sure if that makes sense

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #390 on: February 27, 2016, 06:55:07 pm »
did you follow my instructions exactly?

if that is a wear groove, you should have at least .020" clearance.

only you can tell what it is and if you are wrong, say goodbye to your new cam and dist gear after about an hour.

you still haven't told us if those are bearings.

maybe its just better if you spend another $200.00 for a new one.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #391 on: February 27, 2016, 07:06:28 pm »
did you follow my instructions exactly?

if that is a wear groove, you should have at least .020" clearance.

only you can tell what it is and if you are wrong, say goodbye to your new cam and dist gear after about an hour.

you still haven't told us if those are bearings.

maybe its just better if you spend another $200.00 for a new one.


put the plate on, groove facing cam gear, mount the gear, turn it upside down.

measure between the plate and the cam

yes they are bearings

one side has that groove in it, the other has the bearings

HA... what's another $200  :thud:  :lmao: :lmao:
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #392 on: February 27, 2016, 07:19:10 pm »
put the plate on, groove facing cam gear, mount the gear, turn it upside down.

measure between the plate and the cam

yes they are bearings

one side has that groove in it, the other has the bearings

HA... what's another $200  :thud:  :lmao: :lmao:

kinda looks like both sides should of had bearings .  :lmao:

you may be able to just buy a standard plate for $20.00 then sell the set on Ebay for $80.00 or something . If that is a Crane, I think it is $280.00 usd.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #393 on: February 27, 2016, 10:06:02 pm »
Cut your losses whip it out send it up to Fataz. Its  serious engine with some good stuff in it, if you are not confident dont risk any more damage
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #394 on: February 28, 2016, 09:01:45 am »
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ok, I just looked at your dist shaft again . take a look at bottom of which is the top in the photo . some F###in retard ground a slight taper on it with a f'n bench grinder . i now take back what i said about your builder . they are totally incompetent .  :lmao:

you really need to put it back in the hole without the clamp and grab the gear and try to wiggle the shaft . if it wiggles much at all, it is a bad thing.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #395 on: February 28, 2016, 09:36:14 am »
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ok, I just looked at your dist shaft again . take a look at bottom of which is the top in the photo . some F###in retard ground a slight taper on it with a f'n bench grinder . i now take back what i said about your builder . they are totally incompetent .  :lmao:

you really need to put it back in the hole without the clamp and grab the gear and try to wiggle the shaft . if it wiggles much at all, it is a bad thing.

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I actually saw this yesterday and never thought to ask because given the distributor problems i assumed it was wear.

I'll have a look

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #396 on: February 28, 2016, 09:41:24 am »
if that is wear, your block is f'd up.

try to use a mirror and flashlight to look in the distributor hole at the lower portion and see how it looks.

you might need to try an un-butchered dist in it.

the wear marks should be around 15 mm on the very bottom and 15 mm just under the gear and should only remove the colored coating.

the end of the shaft should have a very slight taper for only 3 mm.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #397 on: February 28, 2016, 09:42:27 am »
That's not wear that's been ground down .

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #398 on: February 28, 2016, 09:48:15 am »
That's not wear that's been ground down .

Why would anyone grind it down ??

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #399 on: February 28, 2016, 09:51:46 am »
I'm guessing the block may not be machined correctly and the disy wouldnt turn