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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #300 on: February 25, 2016, 06:12:51 pm »
LIFTER NOT ROCKER . I CAN SEE A NAME ON THE LIFTER CROSSBAR . WHAT IS IT

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #301 on: February 25, 2016, 06:16:09 pm »
LIFTER NOT ROCKER . I CAN SEE A NAME ON THE LIFTER CROSSBAR . WHAT IS IT

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #302 on: February 25, 2016, 06:33:11 pm »
:lmao: :lmao:

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Are you sure it's not Snausage?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #303 on: February 25, 2016, 06:40:43 pm »
Are you sure it's not Snausage?

So it looks like Summit is the only place i can get that cam from in a reasonable amount of time. Rocket don't carry it and Jeggs are about $50 or so more.

When i hear from Snausage tomorrow ill post up the specs to be 100% sure. And if the comp cam is the way to go then ill order it.

I'm obviously going to need stuff like gaskets, sealant, assembly lube etc etc etc so i may as order all that crap in the mean time.

Any suggestions ? Brands etc.





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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #304 on: February 25, 2016, 07:21:10 pm »
So it looks like Summit is the only place i can get that cam from in a reasonable amount of time. Rocket don't carry it and Jeggs are about $50 or so more.

When i hear from Snausage tomorrow ill post up the specs to be 100% sure. And if the comp cam is the way to go then ill order it.

I'm obviously going to need stuff like gaskets, sealant, assembly lube etc etc etc so i may as order all that crap in the mean time.

Any suggestions ? Brands etc.


yes, we'll make a list.


there should be a part number on your intake gaskets . what is it?


NEED PHOTOS OT THE CAM PLATE AND BACK SIDE OF CAM GEAR.

NEED CAM PLATE CLEARANCE.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #305 on: February 25, 2016, 07:33:45 pm »

yes, we'll make a list.


there should be a part number on your intake gaskets . what is it?


NEED PHOTOS OT THE CAM PLATE AND BACK SIDE OF CAM GEAR.

NEED CAM PLATE CLEARANCE.

I'll have to do all that in the morning mate.

My 4 kids have declared a Jihad on the house. It's trench warfare  :lmao: :lmao:


The two comp cams 770-8 and 771-8. Whats the difference with them ?


Do you not sleep ? isn't it like 2am ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #306 on: February 25, 2016, 07:57:38 pm »
I'll have to do all that in the morning mate.

My 4 kids have declared a Jihad on the house. It's trench warfare  :lmao: :lmao:


The two comp cams 770-8 and 771-8. Whats the difference with them ?


Do you not sleep ? isn't it like 2am ?

ok, no prob

its only 1 am . i am in california now . cant sleep yet cuz they are playing 24 hours of broke back mountain on the tele . it makes me wanna go campin .  :lmao:.

the 771 is the same series but it is the next step "bigger" . it will have less low end and more top end . it would need at least 3.73 gears.

we still dont know what your gears are.



 
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #307 on: February 25, 2016, 08:10:53 pm »
ok, no prob

its only 1 am . i am in california now . cant sleep yet cuz they are playing 24 hours of broke back mountain on the tele.

the 771 is the same series but it is the next step "bigger" . it will have less low end and more top end . it would need at least 3.73 gears.

we still dont know what your gears are.


Ahh i see. Yeah i wanted to keep more of the low to mid range that it has without sacrificing too much top end.

I'll try and do the gears tomorrow. I've had to move it out of the shed to just outside but its a bit of a slope driveway. ill really need to make sure i chock the front wheels really well or its not going to be pretty if it moves.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #308 on: February 25, 2016, 08:32:24 pm »
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HOW FAR DID THE SNAUSAGE REV?

That 770 cam is what I would use then . its gonna hit a bit harder than the Snausage too . If you thought the Snausage came on hard, you better bring some extra shorts along for your first ride.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #309 on: February 26, 2016, 08:14:45 am »
Cam specs from snausage

274-R

274 duration
230 @ .050"

..620" lift with 1.7 rocker

.020" lash int. & exh. hot

110 lobe center

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #310 on: February 26, 2016, 08:46:39 am »
LOL, yeah, i just talked to them . the lash is actually .018 . i will look at the other cams again since your cam is nowhere near what we thought it was, however, the comp cam is very similar with the main exception of having a dual pattern.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #311 on: February 26, 2016, 10:04:43 am »
LOL, yeah, i just talked to them . the lash is actually .018 . i will look at the other cams again since your cam is nowhere near what we thought it was, however, the comp cam is very similar with the main exception of having a dual pattern.

came in on email this morning.

Thanks mate. I forgot to ask though if it was steel or not.

I'll post up pics of the retaining plate and back of the cam gear and i'll check the cam plate clearance

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #312 on: February 26, 2016, 10:31:09 am »
I already mentioned two times that it was a steel cam just by looking at it.

Get us your rear gear ratio.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #313 on: February 26, 2016, 11:24:58 am »
What oil and viscosity were you using?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #314 on: February 26, 2016, 11:27:48 am »
I already mentioned two times that it was a steel cam just by looking at it.

Get us your rear gear ratio.

I'll have to get some bigger wheel chocks and suss it out.

I had to move it out of the garage to just out side and where it is now it's very sketchy to jack up the rear because of the driveway slope.

I've emailed the builder in the meantime. The diff was setup for track rather than street. So i assume it would be lower gear ?
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #315 on: February 26, 2016, 11:50:06 am »
how far did your engine rev?

what oil were you using?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #316 on: February 26, 2016, 12:19:28 pm »
how far did your engine rev?

what oil were you using?


It was built to handle 8k+ but i probably only took it to 6500-7000 tops. It was limited to 6000 on the street.

Fuchs Titan 60. Its what they used from go.

When and if it gets up and running was going to switch to Penrite
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #317 on: February 26, 2016, 12:50:31 pm »

Fuchs Titan 60. Its what they used from go.

ummm...if you use that oil, it will kill a bronze distributor gear in no time .  :lmao:


If you use synthetic, I would use Penrite 10 Tenths Racing 10 . It is 10w-40 PAO with some ESTER and 1800 ppm of ZDDB.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2016, 01:11:09 pm »
ummm...if you use that oil, it will kill a bronze distributor gear in no time .  :lmao:

Thats what they put in it and told me to run.

Ffs  :ouch:  :ouch:

They use it in there race cars but i assume there heating the oil before startup, yeah ?
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #319 on: February 26, 2016, 01:14:36 pm »
Thats what they put in it and told me to run.

Ffs  :ouch:  :ouch:

That's because they hoped it would make you a repeat customer...when you needed another engine cuz it killed the cam gears and sent shrapnel thru your engine .  :lmao:

If you use synthetic, I would use Penrite 10 Tenths Racing 10 . It is 10w-40 PAO with some ESTER and 1800 ppm of ZDDB.  :thumb:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #320 on: February 26, 2016, 01:38:13 pm »
That's because they hoped it would make you a repeat customer...when you needed another engine cuz it killed the cam gears and sent shrapnel thru your engine .  :lmao:

If you use synthetic, I would use Penrite 10 Tenths Racing 10 . It is 10w-40 PAO with some ESTER and 1800 ppm of ZDDB.  :thumb:

That's just super  :cry:


That's the oil i was looking at last night.

Is Penrites assembly lube any good ?


Do you definitely need the diff ratio before you can work out a cam ?
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #321 on: February 26, 2016, 02:00:38 pm »
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Do not need the diff ratio, it just would have been interesting but based on your cam specs and your comments, the ratio is not absolutely necessary.

ENGINE

363 Windsor stroker
Pro 1 210 cc aluminum heads . valves 2.05 1.60 . flow 305 208 @ .600" lift . 68% ex to in flow.
Headers 1 3/4" into 3"
Intake has 4 huge Webers
Compression 11.5:1
Top loader 4 speed with unknown ratio
Diff gears unknown but will post later

Here's some solid roller cam options . I would use the HOWARDS 220183-10

YOUR SNAUSAGE IS ... 274 274 . 230 230 . lobes 365 365 . rocker 1.7 . 620 620 .  lsa 110 . lash 018 018

These are the alternative cams that will work for you that I would consider for your engine.

HOWARDS 220183-10 .. 269 275 . 237 243 . lobes 370 370 . rocker 1.7 . 629 629 . lsa 110 . lash 022 022

LUNATI 40350731 ........ 267 273 . 237 243 . lobes 367 385 . rocker 1.7 . 624 654 . lsa 110

COMP CAMS 35-770-8 .. 274 280 . 236 242 . lobes 377 381 . rocker 1.7 . 641 648 . lsa 110 . lash 016 018

HOWARDS 221313-10 .. 277 277 . 245 245   lobes 390 390 . rocker 1.7 . 663 663 . lsa 110

COMP CAMS 35-771-8 .. 280 286 . 242 248 . lobes 381 385 . rocker 1.7 . 648 654 . lsa 110

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #322 on: February 26, 2016, 02:07:53 pm »
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Do not need the diff ratio, it just would have been interesting but based on your cam specs and your comments, the ratio is not absolutely necessary.

ENGINE

363 Windsor stroker
Pro 1 210 cc aluminum heads . valves 2.05 1.60 . flow 305 208 @ .600" lift . 68% ex to in flow.
Headers 1 3/4" into 3"
Intake has 4 huge Webers
Compression 11.5:1
Top loader 4 speed with unknown ratio
Diff gears unknown but will post later


Here's some solid roller cam options . I would use the HOWARDS 220183-10

YOUR SNAUSAGE IS ... 274 274 . 230 230 . lobes 365 365 . rocker 1.7 . 620 620 .  lsa 110 . lash 018 018


These are the alternative cams that will work for you that I would consider for your engine.

HOWARDS 220183-10 .. 269 275 . 237 243 . lobes 370 370 . rocker 1.7 . 629 629 . lsa 110 . lash 022 022

LUNATI 40350731 ........ 267 273 . 237 243 . lobes 367 385 . rocker 1.7 . 624 654 . lsa 110

COMP CAMS 35-770-8 .. 274 280 . 236 242 . lobes 377 381 . rocker 1.7 . 641 648 . lsa 110 . lash 016 018

HOWARDS 221313-10 .. 277 277 . 245 245   lobes 390 390 . rocker 1.7 . 663 663 . lsa 110

COMP CAMS 35-771-8 .. 280 286 . 242 248 . lobes 381 385 . rocker 1.7 . 648 654 . lsa 110


Awesome work.

I'll have to put you on the payroll.  :lol:


I see the Comp cams from the previous list are still on there.

Why the switch to Howards ?

I have heard of Howards, how are they as far as quality etc ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #323 on: February 26, 2016, 02:21:05 pm »

Awesome work.

I'll have to put you on the payroll.  :lol:

I see the Comp cams from the previous list are still on there.

Why the switch to Howards ?

I have heard of Howards, how are they as far as quality etc ?

The switch is because your cam specs are not anything like what we thought and based on your comments, i think the howards will be better, especially if you race it on occasion because it is a steel billet cam . Howards also typically have more duration at .200" lift than other cams and this helps everywhere . The comp cam would also still work fine and the difference wont be huge between these two.

I doubt you cam would rev to 7k.


BREAK IN OIL

I would use Joe Gibbs.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #324 on: February 26, 2016, 02:34:52 pm »

The switch is because your cam specs are not anything like what we thought and based on your comments, i think the howards will be better, especially if you race it on occasion because it is a steel billet cam . howards also typically have more duration at .0200" than other cams and this helps everywhere.

the comp cam would also still work fine and the difference wont be huge between these two.


Ahh rightio.

I'll have to get either from Summit by the looks of things.

Bronze or composite gear ?

Will MSD's own gears be suitable ?




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