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Offline Fitzy1980

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #275 on: February 25, 2016, 02:52:00 pm »
On there way.

Never saw that email address coming  :lmao: :lmao:

Is that your favourite movie ??

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #276 on: February 25, 2016, 03:02:55 pm »
ok got the photos and they suck . i need high res photos so i can see virtually every grain of metal.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #277 on: February 25, 2016, 03:03:59 pm »
On there way.

Never saw that email address coming  :lmao: :lmao:

Is that your favourite movie ??

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

its the ol' ladys name when she drops her drawers  .  :lmao:

my favorite movie is broke back mountain 
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #278 on: February 25, 2016, 03:10:51 pm »
ok got the photos and they suck . i need high res photos so i can see virtually every grain of metal.


Sorry mate i seem to have misplaced my electron microscope   :lmao: :grin:


I'll see what i can do.


I'll just err on the side of caution and get a new one anyway.

Do you know what material it is ?


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #279 on: February 25, 2016, 03:11:23 pm »
its the ol' ladys name when she drops her drawers  .  :lmao:

my favorite movie is broke back mountain


Just disturbing...

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #280 on: February 25, 2016, 03:16:05 pm »

Just disturbing...

i used the rewind button on the vcr so much with that movie that it broke .  :lmao:

my other favorite is Deliverance.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #281 on: February 25, 2016, 03:21:21 pm »
Do you know what material it is ?

Yes, my previous post said it was steel and at this point in time, it still is.

I need photos like this because I am trying to see wear that might on,y be .002" or .003"


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #282 on: February 25, 2016, 03:25:15 pm »
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photos like these this would be even better

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #283 on: February 25, 2016, 03:27:06 pm »
Yes, my previous post said it was steel and at this point in time, it still is.

I need photos like this because I am trying to see wear that might on,y be .002" or .003"


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Ahh ok, just took them with my phone.

I'll see if i can get better ones.

Whilst its still $400 odd dollars for a new cam i'd rather just replace it than risk bigger issues down the track. $400 is cheap insurance on a $15k+ motor.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #284 on: February 25, 2016, 03:31:09 pm »
it is $460.00 and i can probably tell for sure if you can reuse it f you send good photos but the phone aint gonna cut it . most little $100.00 digital cameras can take photos like that these days.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #285 on: February 25, 2016, 03:34:52 pm »
it is $460.00 and i can probably tell for sure if you can reuse it f you send good photos but the phone aint gonna cut it . most little $100.00 digital cameras can take photos like that these days.

Yeah i've got a canon dslr i'll have to charge it.

I tried at least googling that cam but nothing comes up. I've sent Schneider an email.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #286 on: February 25, 2016, 03:39:34 pm »
Yeah i've got a canon dslr i'll have to charge it.

I tried at least googling that cam but nothing comes up. I've sent Schneider an email.

ok, at least if you still want another cam, i can tell if yours is good enough to be sellable, but we should still find out why your bronze gear got killed.

need to know if you have a high volume oil pump.

 
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #287 on: February 25, 2016, 04:01:49 pm »
Try and explain this best i can.

Where ive drawn the line around the gear, if you look at it straight on its mostly flat. If you run your finger around at least 1/2 has the edges burred upward in the direction of the other lines.

The edges where the two lines meet are pretty thin and jagged.

I'll get better pics as soon as i can.

In the meantime i may as well get a part list together for reassembly.

Timing gear is roll master, missed your question before
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #288 on: February 25, 2016, 04:15:21 pm »
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ok, the shape of the teeth are exactly the same on both ends . the width of the teeth is exactly the same also . if one end of the teeth is thin, the gear is fkd and the distributor gear was probably not centered.

you will need to setup the distributor gear and possibly the end play of the new cam.

we still need to know what the end play is on the cam.


REMOVE YOUR F'N HIGH VOLUME OIL PUMP

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #289 on: February 25, 2016, 04:20:43 pm »
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ok, the shape of the teeth are exactly the same on both ends . the width of the teeth is exactly the same also . if one end of the teeth is thin, the gear is fkd and the distributor gear was probably not centered.

you will need to setup the distributor gear and possibly the end play of the new cam.

we still need to know what the end play is on the cam.


REMOVE YOUR F'N HIGH VOLUME OIL PUMP

End play is measured with cam in and dial gauge yeah ?

Yeah, on the end that i marked at least 60% of the teeth are thin, burred in some way.

just spoke with engine builder, runs standard pump.

Can't it also be caused by the distributor bottoming out or something ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #290 on: February 25, 2016, 04:28:58 pm »
End play is measured with cam in and dial gauge yeah ?

Yeah, on the end that i marked at least 60% of the teeth are thin, burred in some way.

just spoke with engine builder, runs standard pump.

Can't it also be caused by the distributor bottoming out or something ?


I previously posted how to check the end play.

put the plate on the cam

bolt the gear on the cam

stand the cam on end with the gear facing down

use a FEELER GAUGE to measure clearance between plate and cam


something was way fkd up to kill that bronze gear that fast if it does not have a high volume pump.

it is possible the block is incorrectly machined but we won't know until you check the gear mesh . part of it may be that the distributor gear was running off the end of the cam when it is supposed to be centered.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #291 on: February 25, 2016, 04:40:40 pm »
Righto,

Well i may as well break out the credit cards and get shopping. :compute:


I found no metal in the oil, and there is no metal or debris around the timing/cam area. Do i need to drop the pan ? Trying to avoid that like the plague because it looks like a m@#$@#$  of a job with no hoist

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #292 on: February 25, 2016, 05:04:56 pm »
weeel, if you loosened the pan and pulled it down and it had sealer on it, you should remove it.

if it does not have a one piece seal you should remove it and replace the gasket.

this is why i suggested that you not to loosen the pan and use vice grips to remove the studs in the timing cover instead.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #293 on: February 25, 2016, 05:16:34 pm »
It didnt budge when i loosend a few nuts anyway.

It has by the looks of it a one piece cork type gasket.

Need these to get the thing off.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #294 on: February 25, 2016, 05:20:52 pm »
there is no such thing as a one piece cork gasket . the gasket on the curved part of the pan where the bottom of the timing cover seals should be rubber.

you need to post a photo of this area on the pan.


remove the oil galley plug on the right and the upper left and drill a .35 mm hole in them . taper the back of the hole lightly with a 1 mm bit.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #295 on: February 25, 2016, 05:36:47 pm »
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #296 on: February 25, 2016, 05:38:18 pm »
Intake

Felpro yeah ?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #297 on: February 25, 2016, 05:43:32 pm »
Right and the left directly opposite ?
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #298 on: February 25, 2016, 05:55:07 pm »
HOW DID YOU REMOVE THE TIMING COVER WITHOUT LOWERING THE OIL PAN?

WHAT DO YOUR LIFTERS SAY ON THE CROSS BAR?


that is a standard two piece oil pan gasket . this is tricky to replace but we will tell you how later.

tighten the oil pan bolts up before something happens

yes upper left and upper right plugs

clean the crap out of the cam plate bolt holes.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #299 on: February 25, 2016, 06:03:24 pm »
HOW DID YOU REMOVE THE TIMING COVER WITHOUT LOWERING THE OIL PAN?

WHAT DO YOUR LIFTERS SAY ON THE CROSS BAR?


that is a standard two piece oil pan gasket . this is tricky to replace but we will tell you how later.

tighten the oil pan bolts up before something happens

yes upper left and upper right plugs

Managed to wind out the studs bit by bit with small lock jaws. Think i have RSI.

Nothing, they have 1.70 stamped on them, an F which i assume means Front. And a number 0525 on the side. There T&D