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Offline barnett468

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1650 on: May 21, 2016, 03:19:52 pm »
Zero motivation for this clutch/trans job...

Have full blown man flu...  :thud:

ok  then just bleed it and it may work ok for a while.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1651 on: May 21, 2016, 06:01:33 pm »
To save me reading 67 pages, do you actually need to degree a new cam?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1652 on: May 21, 2016, 06:16:31 pm »
To save me reading 67 pages, do you actually need to degree a new cam?

Was just reading this; a bit less than 67 pages.  :lol:

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mdmp-1011-how-to-degree-a-camshaft/
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1653 on: May 21, 2016, 07:02:24 pm »
Dewane yes and no  :grin:  for a real hi performance engine yes it is a good idea but for a normal engine not really just dot to dot or what ever the case may be .

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1654 on: May 21, 2016, 09:10:39 pm »
You mean your Land Rover actually retained all its fluids ?  :lol:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1655 on: June 03, 2016, 02:31:32 pm »
Well looks like i have no choice but to pull the box out now..  :cry:

Took it for a quick spin down the shops because it hasn't been out for a couple of weeks and it appears to have broken something in the shifter, linkage or in the box itself.

It still drives and shifts but the throw is huge and the shifter just returns to neutral regardless of the gear, just flops around like a d#%k in a wizards sleeve..  :lmao:


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1656 on: June 03, 2016, 04:44:39 pm »
Well looks like i have no choice but to pull the box out now..  :cry:

Took it for a quick spin down the shops because it hasn't been out for a couple of weeks and it appears to have broken something in the shifter, linkage or in the box itself.

It still drives and shifts but the throw is huge and the shifter just returns to neutral regardless of the gear, just flops around like a d#%k in a wizards sleeve..  :lmao:


Did you try to bleed the clutch first so you wouldn't break the trans as I suggested?


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1657 on: June 03, 2016, 04:56:42 pm »

Did you try to bleed the clutch first so you wouldn't break the trans as I suggested?

Sure did..

Any idea on what might have broken?

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1658 on: June 03, 2016, 05:02:16 pm »
Sure did..

Any idea on what might have broken?

ok, did you put it in first gear with the clutch depressed and sit there for a minute to see if it started to creep forward like it did before?

need to know exactly, exactly what you did when it broke.

also, exactly what is the problem with it?

should we start a new thread since this is no longer about "degreeing a cam"?  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1659 on: June 03, 2016, 05:04:32 pm »
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....you could title it "Does my transmission need a rebuild?"  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1660 on: June 03, 2016, 05:29:55 pm »
Sound like a shifter issue, but if not put it in box and send it up to me if you want, it will make for a shorter page count.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1661 on: June 03, 2016, 05:50:08 pm »
ok, did you put it in first gear with the clutch depressed and sit there for a minute to see if it started to creep forward like it did before?

need to know exactly, exactly what you did when it broke.

also, exactly what is the problem with it?

should we start a new thread since this is no longer about "degreeing a cam"?  :lmao:

Driving, shifted from 2nd to third as normal and it went into gear than just sprung back to neutral but still in gear. Would still shift fine but it just returns to neutral and slops around.

The throw is probably 3 times the distance of what it normally is.

Took the boot off and i can see that the whole shifter mechanism just moves around

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1662 on: June 03, 2016, 05:53:52 pm »
Sound like a shifter issue, but if not put it in box and send it up to me if you want, it will make for a shorter page count.

Where's the fun in that?  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1663 on: June 03, 2016, 05:57:07 pm »
Driving, shifted from 2nd to third as normal and it went into gear than just sprung back to neutral but still in gear. Would still shift fine but it just returns to neutral and slops around.

The throw is probably 3 times the distance of what it normally is.

Took the boot off and i can see that the whole shifter mechanism just moves around

it stayed n gear but the shifter got loose?

sounds like it is just a problem with your shifter and not your trans.

you need to answer my other question or we can' help you, not that its possible to help you anyway.  :lmao:



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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1664 on: June 03, 2016, 06:22:10 pm »
If its not a shifter problem  I will sniff my own socks ,and they are BAD .  And I said socks  :grin:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1665 on: June 03, 2016, 06:30:49 pm »
Sound like a shifter issue, but if not put it in box and send it up to me if you want, it will make for a shorter page count.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1666 on: June 03, 2016, 09:51:25 pm »
It didn't creep forward like it occasionally does.

It was shifting fine than i left the lights, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and as soon as it went into 3rd the shifter just fell back into neutral and i can move the shifter around while its in gear.

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1667 on: June 04, 2016, 01:28:48 am »
If its not a shifter problem  I will sniff my own socks ,and they are BAD .  And I said socks  :grin:

Jesus Christ, what the hell is goin on here?  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1668 on: June 04, 2016, 01:37:17 am »
It didn't creep forward like it occasionally does.

Fkng xlnt . Something finally fkng worked right . Did you bleed it exactly how I described?

This also suggests it is not inside the trans because the clutch was finally disengaging properly when you pushed the pedal in.


It was shifting fine than i left the lights, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and as soon as it went into 3rd the shifter just fell back into neutral and i can move the shifter around while its in gear.

Take your handy video camera and point it at he shift box from inside the car as you SLOWLY move the shifter around . Try to hold the camera steady . Move the camera to a both sides of the shifter and video it and maybe to the front and rear also.

There may be 2 bolts on the side of the chrome shift arm that hold it to the box . See it these are loose.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1669 on: June 04, 2016, 11:30:28 am »
https://youtu.be/U1h33qgKn1k

At around 10 secs its in 2nd and you can see how much the stick moves around while still in gear. Going to 3rd the throw is so far the stick hits the gauge panel.

I took the boot off and the whole shifter mechanism is loose. I'll have to jack it up and look from under it and see if any bolts have worked loose or snapped.
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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1670 on: June 04, 2016, 11:50:26 am »
hey, rocket scientist . that was 60 seconds of my life i will never get back . you said you removed the shift boot . we need a video of it with the boot removed so we can see what is loose.


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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1671 on: June 04, 2016, 12:30:39 pm »
hey, rocket scientist . that was 60 seconds of my life i will never get back . you said you removed the shift boot . we need a video of it with the boot removed so we can see what is loose.

Hey jackass, im getting to that..  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1672 on: June 04, 2016, 12:42:55 pm »
Hey jackass, im getting to that..  :lmao:

I must admit there was something strangely arousing about watching you play with your stick.  :thumb:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1673 on: June 04, 2016, 01:36:36 pm »
I've said it many times, you have some deep seeded issues my friend..  :lmao:

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Re: Do you have to degree a new cam ?
« Reply #1674 on: June 04, 2016, 02:04:04 pm »
Dunno what sort of shifter that is but it looks the whole mechanism is pivoting backwards and forwards rather than the lever moving.