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Technical & General Discussion Area => Importing Cars & Parts - General Freight => Topic started by: SMH00N on December 12, 2014, 08:16:34 am
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Hi
I'm finally in a position to buy a car and it will be a 69 or 70 sportsroof.
I've not been able to see exactly what work (and cost) is required to put a car on the road in NSW with full rego (I probably won't join a club so historic won't be an option).
I figure the lights need to be changed but what other items need doing? I will do all the mechanical stuff myself so the cost will be purely parts to a large extent.
I am looking at bringing in a car versus buying one here. I've noticed a lack of these things here and the costs are on the high end for those here. I only want a driver spec car, not wanting to win trophies which does limit my options. I have a budget and I need to keep to that so I have to work out my expected dollar outlay and then work backwards to see what I can get and decide if I will be happy with what is out there for the money.
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SM, if you get yourself a car that has not been modified, all you will need to do is:
Swap the headlights which will cost you about $40
Get a weigh bridge certificate about $20-$30
Get a blueslip which is about $150
Greenslip and rego etc which will depend on you personally.
As long as everything is in running order and up to standards such as tyres, brakes and all the other things that get checked at a blueslip, that's it. Go and enjoy your car :thumb:
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Hi Ash
Thanks, that answers my question perfectly.
Now to find a red 4 speed unit...
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One other piece of advice ...Be wary ...If a deal seems too good to be true, it probably is. There are many sorry stories of people being ripped off buying a "restored" Mustang, only to find the car has been bogged and painted, and really needs a total redo. Get someone reputable to do a detailed inspection, if you are unable to do this yourself. It's a cheap insurance for your peace of mind and your hard earned shekels. Tread warily and good luck with your search. Also, Welcome to the fraternity!
Cheers, Ron B
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Do not forget that a blue slip is a roadworthy and identity check.
By rights, the vehicle will need to have a full mechanical and safety inspection to make sure the car is safe for road use. Remember that the vehicle is 45 yrs old, so you may be up for some front end work and other bits and pieces.
As Ash said, headlights need to be changed to Australian standard Left Hand dip.
Another thing that gets missed alot is that any vehicle manufactured after 1/1963 also requires rear amber indicators, so by law these should be done. I know that there are alot of vehicles that haven't had this done, but after recently completing the blue slip examiners course, I have since found out that this is a legal requirement for all vehicles on full rego.So add this into your cost.
You will also need a right hand door mirror if the vehicle is left hand drive. Make sure that the vehicle also has a engine number. If there are any modifications that were not factory or available as a factory option, you will then require a VSCCS certificate (engineers report).
In regards to joining a club, you should! The benefits are many and your decision shouldn't just be based on the club rego scheme as a reason for joining. At least think about it.
Good luck in your search and hopefully you will find a good car.
Al
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Another thing that gets missed alot is that any vehicle manufactured after 1/1963 also requires rear amber indicators, so by law these should be done. I know that there are alot of vehicles that haven't had this done, but after recently completing the blue slip examiners course, I have since found out that this is a legal requirement for all vehicles on full rego.So add this into your cost.
My 76 model got got passed for full rego with flashing red rear indicators about 2 weeks ago. That's why I didn't mention this point.
What was the date that they changed this? Just so I have an argument if I get pulled over for it.
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Ash, you should also have had an VSCCS certificate as anything built after 8/1972 is required to have one for full registration and has to meet ADR requirements of the year of manufacture of the vehicle, and the gentleman who did your Blue Slip should have asked for this!
In Regards to the rear indicators in earlier models, someone very senior from Transport NSW was sitting next to me during the course and showed me the requirement in the book and I need to look it up to find the ruling. I know that there have been quite a few people now being fined for this as I have been doing the conversions for their vehicle to comply.
Al
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Thanks all. Ron, I am pretty aware of the junk that's offered. This is why I am caught between buying a restorer I do myself or buy a completed car. I really don't want to do panel and paint but then the US pricing for a 'Decent' car is at the top of my budget. Hence asking these questions, I don't want to be the guy that sells it a year later quoting lack of funds as the reason.
Al thanks for the input. None of that is scary so all is good. I was worried about having to get engineers for seatbelts or seat mounts but if that is not an issue then we are good to go.
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Really goes to show the faults in the system doesn't it and how it really just goes down to the interpretation of the rules from each person you deal with. I dealt with more than one person to my car registered and each did not mention anything.
There was one key question I was asked and that was, is the vehicle modified? My answer was no and I was told there was nothing to worry about and that I would only have to do the things I outlined in my first post. Which I did and it past with flying colours.
I guess in this outcome I am many hundreds better off and was able to miss out on the joyous experience of dealing with engineers.
Just found this in regards to registration of imported vehicles, dated 12/8/2014
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/standards/vsi-04-registration-imported-vehicles.pdf (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/standards/vsi-04-registration-imported-vehicles.pdf)
Here is what is states about rear indicators:
At least two front and two rear yellow direction indicator lights*
*For vehicles built before 1 July 1973, white front and red rear indicator lights are permissible.
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Al thanks for the input. None of that is scary so all is good. I was worried about having to get engineers for seatbelts or seat mounts but if that is not an issue then we are good to go.
If you modify seat belts in anyway from the original style or mounting points, YES, you will need certification from either a seat belt fitting station or an engineer signatory
Al
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Here is what is states about rear indicators:
At least two front and two rear yellow direction indicator lights*
*For vehicles built before 1 July 1973, white front and red rear indicator lights are permissible.
That was my understanding as well. My personal opinion is that the cars should be as they were made.
As long as a basically standard car can be put on the road that is roadworthy and safe I am happy with that.
I didn't want to have to spend thousands more getting official certification that the car is registerable which would stuff up the plans somewhat
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Really goes to show the faults in the system doesn't it and how it really just goes down to the interpretation of the rules from each person you deal with.
Just found this in regards to registration of imported vehicles, dated 12/8/2014
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/standards/vsi-04-registration-imported-vehicles.pdf (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/standards/vsi-04-registration-imported-vehicles.pdf)
Here is what is states about rear indicators:
At least two front and two rear yellow direction indicator lights*
*For vehicles built before 1 July 1973, white front and red rear indicator lights are permissible.
On the ruling that this gentleman from Transport NSW showed me, it stated that rear indicators "HAD" to be amber.
As you said Ash, just goes to show the inconsistencies of the system. He also stated that there are a few more things about to change in regards to this! But he would not elaborate any further no matter how hard I tried to quiz him.
Al
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On the ruling that this gentleman from Transport NSW showed me, it stated that rear indicators "HAD" to be amber.
As you said Ash, just goes to show the inconsistencies of the system. He also stated that there are a few more things about to change in regards to this! But he would not elaborate any further no matter how hard I tried to quiz him.
Al
Australia, welcome to NSW rules and regulations :thud:
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Here is what is states about rear indicators:
At least two front and two rear yellow direction indicator lights*
*For vehicles built before 1 July 1973, white front and red rear indicator lights are permissible.
In regards to this ruling, I think that yes you can have red flashing rear indicators, BUT they must be separate to the stop/taillight.
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I guess it again falls into the case of the ruling being vague enough to be interpreted in different ways.
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[quote author=Ash link=topic=25453.msg253721#msg253721 date=1418425108
Just found this in regards to registration of imported vehicles, dated 12/8/2014
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/standards/vsi-04-registration-imported-vehicles.pdf (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/standards/vsi-04-registration-imported-vehicles.pdf)
Here is what is states about rear indicators:
At least two front and two rear yellow direction indicator lights*
*For vehicles built before 1 July 1973, white front and red rear indicator lights are permissible.
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I know of guys who carry this document in the glove box, as it's the highway patrol who usually challenge in the first instance, as you say it's how the rules are interpreted.
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I know of guys who carry this document in the glove box, as it's the highway patrol who usually challenge in the first instance, as you say it's how the rules are interpreted.
Yes, it is exactly how the rules are interpreted!
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Keith just read that doc , pretty straight forward , and with regards to amber indicators it quite clearly shows that white front and red rear are acceptable thats why they have the asterix at the end of the amber indicator requirement to reference to and how that could be interpreted any differently would be beyond me .
With regards to highway patrol they need to be educated on what is and isn't correct
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Don't you guys in NSW need to change the seat belts . I don't like the idea of just having lap belts .
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Nope. As they came from new. And if they had none, they'd prefer that. Makes no F###ing sense at all.
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Here are the actual pages from the RMS Rule book in regards to the ruling on the rear indicator colour. All AUVIS (Blue Slip Stations) have this and this is the ruling that are meant to go of. It CLEARLY states that the rear indicators must be amber and the date that the rule became effective was 01/63. For your perusal!
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But Al, the document is also dated 1/9/1994.
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The date is 1994 because the rules have not been superseded. And regardless of the Date Ash, this is the current standing document that all inspection stations have to follow. And I only obtained my book 2 months ago. As an authorised AUVIS station, they are the rules that I and others have to follow and abide by!
Al
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Fair enough, Al.
I still find it inconsistent. Sorry, I'm not deliberately trying to argue, just saying my experiences and to get a clear understanding. If I do in fact get pulled over for it one day, I'd prefer my argument to have something to stand on.
When I first got my 66 registered on full rego, I rang the RTA tech support to confirm what my requirements were as I was getting very mixed opinions from the blue slip mechanics I spoke to. Most of them had never inspected an American import before so had no idea.
This was about 3 years ago and the tech support at the RTA, I think his name was Niel off the top of my head, said I could have flashing red tail lights incorporated into the brake lights, as they were from the US. He also told me I only required one single mirror on the drivers side. He told me that they were the rules and if the person doing the inspection had a problem, get them to ring him to confirm. So I then rang around until I found someone who said the same as the RTA and I booked my car in with them.
In the link I posted before, it is titled and says this:
Vehicle standards
information
PUBLISHED 12 AUGUST 2014 | REV. 6
Supersedes VSI No. 4 | Rev.5 | 24 May 2011
Would that not mean that it is the latest ruling which supersedes the previous document released 24/5/2011? All of which supersedes the documents from 1994? And if not, what purpose are the later documents written for?
I know it is all a mess which is of course no surprise with it being a government agency. To make it worse they had to become the RMS which I think in their aim was to simplify, yet they did the opposite.
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Ash, I would be more concerned about other things than just the rear indicators on your vehicle. With no VSCCS safety report as required by the RMS, you are treading a thin line. I would suggest that you have it complied legally which includes the VSCCS report and then you do not have a thing to worry about!
You will then be fully legal!
I also spoke to Technical Enquiries today and spoke to James, He stated that the rear indicator and the brake light need to be a separate item. He stated that that is the legislation. If I have any queries, That's who I ring, and they give me the direction. What more can I say.
It seems that a lot of people on here seem to know more than the RMS themselves who wrote the rules! Maybe they should go and get a job in the RMS technical department!
Al
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It seems that a lot of people on here seem to know more than the RMS themselves who wrote the rules! Maybe they should go and get a job in the RMS technical department!
Al
I never said that I knew more. I merely repeated what I was told. Just as you did.
I'm out.
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I never said that I knew more. I merely repeated what I was told. Just as you did.
I never said that you did!
As a representative and on behalf of the RMS we (AUVIS stations) have to follow the rules and directions that they give us..
Enough has been said on this now!
Al
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hi Al
so Al can you ran on the rear lights parkers and stop light's in the main red len's and reverse and blinkers in the reversing lens down below with a switchback led ? plus do the blinker's need to be a certain height from the ground ? mine's a 69 but it should be the same 64 1/2 on
cheers tim
:cheers:
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Tim, If I remember correctly, your 69 is going to be RHD or already has been converted.
It will need a VSCCS certificate and the certifier will check the car. By Rights, the rear indicator should be 400mm from the ground but I don't think that they worry too much about that, so you will have to ask. Although, I don't think that the USA cars need to qualify for the height Ruling. Being RHD, It most certainly will require separate Stop Lamp to Indicator Function. The thing that the RMS are worried about Tim, is that the Indicators and the Stop Lamp are separate from each other and are able to be easily distinguished from each other. Some people have had severe rear enders because the driver of the vehicle behind cannot, or does not have the ability to differentiate between the 2. The certifier will be able to guide you!
Al
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thanks al for the reply
cheers tim :cheers:
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Sorry for offtop, but who does check the certificate and its existance (in what step)?
In Russia, we have following pipeline to "legalize" its usage:
1. Get some kind of a certificate, that it works correctly (now, some commercial organizations also can do this certificate). They must check that lights match the standard, there are no splits in glass near driver, etc.
2. Having this certificate (it is called diagnostic card), the insurance company sells you an insurance policy.
3. Having the insurance policy, you go to the police station, and they check VIN, documents, and give you number plates and a document verifies, that the car is registered on you.
What is pipeline in the Australia?
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In Australia to get a older mustang ready for rego is a headache a newer one a bigger headache . In Russia a walk in the park . :smile01:
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Ouuu, really so difficult even for a S197 body?
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Yes huge they have to be converted to right hand drive and pass all government requirements . $35,000 plus to get them done .
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Here are the actual pages from the RMS Rule book in regards to the ruling on the rear indicator colour. All AUVIS (Blue Slip Stations) have this and this is the ruling that are meant to go of. It CLEARLY states that the rear indicators must be amber and the date that the rule became effective was 01/63. For your perusal!
Unfortunately, Ash, the info posted by Alan, is very much out of date. I enforced these laws for years and worked extremely closely with the RMS inspectors and the enforcement unit while in the Highway Patrol. I was involved with inspecting pink and blue slip stations, checking their books, making sure they know what they're doing and here is a reason why they need checking. It's common knowledge that many don't understand how to, for lack of a better description 'read' or 'understand' the legislation, pertaining to registration.
The info posted, quite simply, is incorrect. Refer below for the correct info. I've bolded the relevant sections, to save boring you with info that doesn't relate to correcting the misleading info.
ROAD TRANSPORT (VEHICLE REGISTRATION) REGULATION 2007
113 Operation and visibility of direction indicator lights
(1) A direction indicator light fitted to a motor vehicle must:
(a) when operating, display regular flashes of light at a rate of not over 120 flashes a minute, and:
(i) for a motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels-at least 60 flashes a minute, or
(ii) for any other motor vehicle-at least 45 flashes a minute, and
(b) be able to be operated by a person in the normal driving position, and
(c) be wired to an audible or visible device in the vehicle that tells the driver that the direction indicator light is operating, and
(d) flash at the same time and rate as any other direction indicator lights fitted on the same side of the vehicle.
(2) A direction indicator light fitted to a side of a trailer must, when operating, flash at the same time and rate as the direction indicator light or lights fitted to the same side of the motor vehicle towing the trailer.
(3) The flashes of light displayed by a direction indicator light must be:
(a) if the light faces forward-white or yellow, and
(b) if the light faces backwards:
(i) yellow, or
(ii) for a vehicle built before July 1973-yellow or red, and
(c) if the light faces out from the side of the vehicle:
(i) white or yellow towards the front and side, and
(ii) for a vehicle built before July 1973-yellow or red towards the rear and side, and
(iii) for a vehicle built after June 1973-yellow towards the rear and side.
Pretty simple, really. If you're knocked back by any inspection station for having a red flashing indicator on your pre '73 vehicle, let me know. I'll let the appropriate section of the RMS know so that they can action it accordingly.
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Queensland is pretty much the same it sounds like . We don't have to change the rear blinkers before 73 from red the amber . Anyway that's in QLD .
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Queensland is pretty much the same it sounds like . We don't have to change the rear blinkers before 73 from red the amber . Anyway that's in QLD .
That'd be right, Glenn. The Australian Road Rules (ARR's) were bought in, in 1999, to unify the rules throughout Australia, but it didn't take long for each of the States to implement their own acts, regulations and laws, to override the ARR's so that they could have their own take on the rules again. Really defeated the purpose of their design in the first place, but it is, what it is.
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I didnt have to change to Amber indicators in Frankenstang for QLd rego, but converting the reversing lights to to amber lenses and then adding a tiny reversing light by the number plate was so simple.
For me it was logical, most people here couldnt drive a greasy stick up a dogs arse and the last thing you want on the road is people confused by a red indicator.
I dont want to be explaining to a copper that i was in the right while there is a Corolla stuck in my boot.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img704/941/12122009001r.jpg)
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a lil bit off topic, Hey Steve, a friend of mine has the exact same plate as yours in NSW :pepper: :burnout: :thumb:
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I have done the same with the reverse lights on mine Scedd. I havent added a separate reverse light (cause I am a concourse nut) though, the reverse lights work as normal, but are now orange. Early falcons have a shared reverse lamp/flasher so I cant see it being an issue for anyone following me.
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I didnt have to change to Amber indicators in Frankenstang for QLd rego, but converting the reversing lights to to amber lenses and then adding a tiny reversing light by the number plate was so simple.
For me it was logical, most people here couldnt drive a greasy stick up a dogs arse and the last thing you want on the road is people confused by a red indicator.
I dont want to be explaining to a copper that i was in the right while there is a Corolla stuck in my boot.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img704/941/12122009001r.jpg)
Im sure what you've done works and looks just the way you intended. With the legislation I posted, correcting the misleading info in this thread, you clearly have that choice to leave it, or change it. For those of us that like our cars concours correct, or original, it's awesome, as we don't need to touch the factory arrangement.
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I didnt have to change to Amber indicators in Frankenstang for QLd rego, but converting the reversing lights to to amber lenses and then adding a tiny reversing light by the number plate was so simple.
For me it was logical, most people here couldnt drive a greasy stick up a dogs arse and the last thing you want on the road is people confused by a red indicator.
I dont want to be explaining to a copper that i was in the right while there is a Corolla stuck in my boot.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img704/941/12122009001r.jpg)
steve, i put switchback LED's in front and rear with clear lens so i have amber indicator/white park on front, and amber ind/white reverse on rear.
it reqd modifying the lampholder base and wiring but thats easy stuff.
with the rear i got the biggest LED i could fit as i wanted killer reverse lights and theyre just that, so i dont have to rely on reversing by braille up my driveway at 2am.
(and yes dammit im missing a bolt!)
greg
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They look really good !
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thanks sean, the rears are extremely bright which is how i wanted the reverse lamps, ive been a few times about them.
i ended up more recently disconnecting the amber turn signal and reverting to brake lamp/indicator for retro look or some excuse i cant remember...
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I've posted this previously, but I've installed these dual colour backup lamp/indicator in the '68 coupe from Mustang Project. Easy and inexpensive mod that gives you an amber indicator and bright white backup lamp in your stock back up lamps with clear lenses so looks absolutely original.
http://www.mustangproject.com/ProductDisplay.aspx?ID=813ae9d2-cbdf-4ed8-86aa-3d9d237f37d7 (http://www.mustangproject.com/ProductDisplay.aspx?ID=813ae9d2-cbdf-4ed8-86aa-3d9d237f37d7)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u524/Red68Coupe/Pop-opengascap_zps3ae47c74.jpg) (http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/Red68Coupe/media/Pop-opengascap_zps3ae47c74.jpg.html)
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Unfortunately, Ash, the info posted by Alan, is very much out of date. I enforced these laws for years and worked extremely closely with the RMS inspectors and the enforcement unit while in the Highway Patrol. I was involved with inspecting pink and blue slip stations, checking their books, making sure they know what they're doing and here is a reason why they need checking. It's common knowledge that many don't understand how to, for lack of a better description 'read' or 'understand' the legislation, pertaining to registration.
The info posted, quite simply, is incorrect. Refer below for the correct info. I've bolded the relevant sections, to save boring you with info that doesn't relate to correcting the misleading info.
ROAD TRANSPORT (VEHICLE REGISTRATION) REGULATION 2007
113 Operation and visibility of direction indicator lights
(1) A direction indicator light fitted to a motor vehicle must:
(a) when operating, display regular flashes of light at a rate of not over 120 flashes a minute, and:
(i) for a motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels-at least 60 flashes a minute, or
(ii) for any other motor vehicle-at least 45 flashes a minute, and
(b) be able to be operated by a person in the normal driving position, and
(c) be wired to an audible or visible device in the vehicle that tells the driver that the direction indicator light is operating, and
(d) flash at the same time and rate as any other direction indicator lights fitted on the same side of the vehicle.
(2) A direction indicator light fitted to a side of a trailer must, when operating, flash at the same time and rate as the direction indicator light or lights fitted to the same side of the motor vehicle towing the trailer.
(3) The flashes of light displayed by a direction indicator light must be:
(a) if the light faces forward-white or yellow, and
(b) if the light faces backwards:
(i) yellow, or
(ii) for a vehicle built before July 1973-yellow or red, and
(c) if the light faces out from the side of the vehicle:
(i) white or yellow towards the front and side, and
(ii) for a vehicle built before July 1973-yellow or red towards the rear and side, and
(iii) for a vehicle built after June 1973-yellow towards the rear and side.
Pretty simple, really. If you're knocked back by any inspection station for having a red flashing indicator on your pre '73 vehicle, let me know. I'll let the appropriate section of the RMS know so that they can action it accordingly.
interesting read and thanks for posting mate! that literally clarifies it for me and my car is good to go with a red or yellow flashing indicator. very happy to have read this. Im on the right path
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yes, it's really hard... does anybody in the inspection/police really check all these requierments? And are there really all left-steering cars prohibited for driving in AU?
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yes, it's really hard... does anybody in the inspection/police really check all these requierments? And are there really all left-steering cars prohibited for driving in AU?
Yes they are checked but appears to be open to interpretation depending on who's checking. Cars over 30 years old are able to stay left hand drive in Australia. :smile01:
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Yes they are checked but appears to be open to interpretation depending on who's checking. Cars over 30 years old are able to stay left hand drive in Australia. :smile01:
Not that we want any more Lada's out here Ultrablox :grin:
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Not that we want any more Lada's out here Ultrablox :grin:
sorry for my english, but I haven't understood the joke
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Yeh, come on Keith, explain yourself. :toetapping: :lol:
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What he should have said is we don't want any zhiguli cars over here thanks . Does that make it any Better for you to under stand .
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Hah, I don't want zhiguli's even on Russia roads. You can not even imagine, what you can meet here... a half of lights does not work, a body is seriously rusted, it is lowered, and the driver does not use turning signals because he does not want. The working half of lights is not visible because of dirt.
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sorry for my english, but I haven't understood the joke
The Lada's are not recognised as a great car in Australia, although Andrew (68 Coupe) loves them, so be sure to post him some pics of as many Lada's as you can, I swear he would swap his rare 68 Coupe for a nicely restored Lada.
Don't worry Yuri, after a few days you will enjoy our sense of humour, and welcome to the forum.
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Hah, I'll make some photos of really "special" looking ladas, and post him :grin:
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Nyet, nyet, nyet spaseeba. Nyet Lada pics. :ouch: :ouch: :ouch:
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interesting read and thanks for posting mate! that literally clarifies it for me and my car is good to go with a red or yellow flashing indicator. very happy to have read this. Im on the right path
You on the right path, George? That's open to interpretation, mate! Merry Xmas.
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You on the right path, George? That's open to interpretation, mate! Merry Xmas.
I think so lol. i have rear red flashers. according to the list that should be ok? hasnt been debated it :D
Merry xmas to you and the family too mate! :D
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George all you need now for Christmas is a guitar matching your paintwork and some flashing amber position markers on the fretboard :grin: (non musos need not try to understand...)
cheers mate, griff
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I think so lol. i have rear red flashers. according to the list that should be ok? hasnt been debated it :D
Merry xmas to you and the family too mate! :D
Yeh mate, you should be good to go.
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George all you need now for Christmas is a guitar matching your paintwork and some flashing amber position markers on the fretboard :grin: (non musos need not try to understand...)
(http://gilaguitars.com/guitargallery/New%20Updates%20I%20Love%20Doing%20Websites/MrHP/MrHP3a.jpg)
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hahah awesome!! soooped up!!! love it!