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Technical & General Discussion Area => General Chat Room => Topic started by: GLENN 70 on March 20, 2017, 10:32:42 pm
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Lloyds auctions are on again this weekend and have quite a few mustangs inc a 69 428 R code and 69 S code with a 428 fitted with heaps of mods . Also a XWGT HO and a few Monaro s . I'm going for another look
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Thanks for the heads-up. I'll drop in for a look and catch up with you Glenn.
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Ok Peter :thumb: I'm picking up Rodney also so we will all catch up
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Seems to be what they are moving to these days is the classic car auctions when is the next one on?
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Iam a little bit dubious of Lloyds auctions and the descriptions that they use, Not quiet like Shannons.
This 65 mustang says its original matching no. car with 3 owners yet it has a 302 V8 in it?
Buyer be very aware i would say. :bolt:
http://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=5799&lid=1009544
(http://images.auctionator.com/Consignment/0000043001-0000044000/0000043610/1151022.JPG?width=398&height=307&scale=canvas&404=~/404/ImageNotAvailable.jpg)
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And it has an engine number.
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Probably a 302 roller motor that has had the VIN numbers stamped into the block instead of a randomly assigned number from the rego dept.
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I totally agree the staff have no idea about these classics and they should . I have been to all of there classic auctions and asked questions and they just can't answer any of them . They do seem to pull big money at the auctions tho . It will be interesting to see what the R code makes .
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Yes, as Glenn says, the staff have virtually no knowledge on classics at all. I went to the last auction (my 1st time) and was astounded at their lack of knowledge. As each car hit the block, the auctioneer and his sidekick were asking each other dumb questions about about features. :omg:
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Iam a little bit dubious of Lloyds auctions and the descriptions that they use, Not quiet like Shannons.
This 65 mustang says its original matching no. car with 3 owners yet it has a 302 V8 in it?
Buyer be vary aware i would say. :bolt:
http://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=5799&lid=1009544
(http://images.auctionator.com/Consignment/0000043001-0000044000/0000043610/1151022.JPG?width=398&height=307&scale=canvas&404=~/404/ImageNotAvailable.jpg)
From what I can make out on the data plate, it is a fastback built in San Jose with standard black vinyl trim, had a C code 289 and delivered to San Jose DSO.
Has all the appearance of a "Classic Speed" car rebuilt in the Philipines.
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Again it is a case of buyer beware at any auctions as most are final, but i find even Shannons can be a little wayward with the truth on some vehicles as well, especially older Australian stuff.
I looked at an Xy GT a while ago, supposedly 2 owner car with no accident history, well i tell you it had more hits than Mike Tyson, not a single panel lined up even close to factory with some really bad waves and paint work.
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I totally agree the staff have no idea about these classics and they should . I have been to all of there classic auctions and asked questions and they just can't answer any of them . They do seem to pull big money at the auctions tho . It will be interesting to see what the R code makes .
Very interesting. The data plate is correct and if the description is true and it doesn't have any issues then it should bring a lot of money.
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At all the Lloyds classic car auctions as cars come through quite often they ask the public questions about the car :thud: :lmao: I quite often yell out the answers :grin:
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I see the Testarossa is certainly getting some interest you could of bought one a couple of years ago at the price its currently up to $88,700 + 7.5%, also love the description on this one.
"This vehicle model was made famous for being the "Star" car in TV Hit Series "Miami Vice in the 80's and 90's!
God surely they can dig up a little bit of its history.
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I see the Testarossa is certainly getting some interest you could of bought one a couple of years ago at the price its currently up to $88,700 + 7.5%, also love the description on this one.
"This vehicle model was made famous for being the "Star" car in TV Hit Series "Miami Vice in the 80's and 90's!
God surely they can dig up a little bit of its history.
There are 6 currently for sale on Carsales with the lowest asking price $299,995 ... https://www.carsales.com.au/car/ferrari/testarossa/?tracking=dsa&gclid=Cj0KEQjw-73GBRCC7KODl9zToJMBEiQAj1Jgf2TB7EQq9zs3Gf3nTPj8bVObucK2opyLz8CQw-7BAioaAolQ8P8HAQ
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I Know its amazing, I told a friend to buy one a couple of years ago when they where around $100k, knowing that the flagship 12 cyl Ferraris always go up in value eventually.
Mind you that has few glaring issues that i can see wrong with it, but still nothing that cant be fixed and put back to original.
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`From what I can make out on the data plate, it is a fastback built in San Jose with standard black vinyl trim, had a C code 289 and delivered to San Jose DSO.
Has all the appearance of a "Classic Speed" car rebuilt in the Philippine's.`
Maybe not `Classic Speed` as I believe that they are all converted RHD ,at least for the Australian market anyway!
I might be wrong...
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Well I went and had a look at the cars today . They are packed in so tight you can't see them or even walk around them ,well the ones inside under cover anyway . I ask to have a closer look at the R code and lift the hood NOPE . What I could see was it is a bit on the average side but not too bad and maybe a 6.5 /10 car without really looking it to hard . The 65 fastback is ok but just ok from what I could see again 6.5/10 . I didn't see the yellow 69 with the 428 ,might be coming later .
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`From what I can make out on the data plate, it is a fastback built in San Jose with standard black vinyl trim, had a C code 289 and delivered to San Jose DSO.
Has all the appearance of a "Classic Speed" car rebuilt in the Philippine's.`
Maybe not `Classic Speed` as I believe that they are all converted RHD ,at least for the Australian market anyway!
I might be wrong...
No, you are right ... bit of an oversight on my part.
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I ask to have a closer look at the R code and lift the hood NOPE . What I could see was it is a bit on the average side but not too bad and maybe a 6.5 /10 car without really looking it to hard .
Glenn, correct me if I am wrong but isn't it the aftermarket rear spoilers that have the bow in them. If so, this car is not 'original' as they state. Same with the steering wheel and a few other things.
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Sometimes the rear spoilers did bow when the car ran over 130+ mph . The GTHO 111 did the same thing on the track and sometimes hit the boot lid . Plenty wrong with this one ,wheels,steering wheel,exhaust and tips, valve covers, hose clamps ,well where do I stop . That's just from those pics as I said it was jam pack in today and I couldn't get close to have a look . It will be out in the open on auction day ,but rain is forcast and the cars will be outside . But it's still an R code . Ps the paint is very average also . Trim code 3AA and not just 3 A
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Original 69 rear spoilers sagged like that R code, the 70 spoiler design mostly over came that. The add is probably right in saying factory spoiler, problem is only the boss had them in 69 as factory, window slats also not factory. The R code is also missing the Mach1 speedo, paint is wrong in places, side stripe poorly fitted, 70 console lid likely to be incorrect
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Yes the more I look at it the worse it gets :thud:, Monte Carlo bar, shaker bin has no snorkel because of the bar ,shaker has no drain pipe or side bracket maybe . My I pad is too small to see the photos up close . Red shockies are nice :grin:
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I had a look at it this morning. It's not a nice car ... white ants and bondo under the paint, and the paint itself is RS - and that's just some of the outer body faults. If I was in the market I certainly wouldn't be bidding on it.
And the yellow 428 (originally a 390 S code) showed up while I was there. It is the John Taylor racer and is a pretty tough thing. It's unregistered and set up for racing with cage etc.. If you open this link and scroll down to the classifieds on page 13 you can get the info on it.
http://www.hsrca.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/HRCC-july-2016.pdf
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Pedro were you able to get close to have a look ? . The cars were roped off yesterday and the R code was at the back of the other cars . John Talyors car is a bit over the top for a street car but would be a fun car . Have you seen his 69 R code he has owned forever .
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Yes Glenn, it was still roped off but I moved the ropes and went in and had a close look at the outside only as it was locked. But its a bucket of puss mate. The paint is terrible - looks like it was sprayed some time in a sand storm. It's had one of those short aerials above the centre of the windscreen that's been removed and filled with bondo and the bondo's sunken in. There's bondo break-out on the roof and other parts and swirls and file marks in the bondo under the paint around the front screen vent, the hood black-out is gloss ... I could go on. As I said - not a nice car.
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Wow the R Code made $88000 and didn`t make reserve , somebody didn`t think it was to bad , that's Auctions for you
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Yep $88,000 and I was told the seller wants $100,000 . It was a 20 footer I say ,looks good from 20 feet away . Some buyers just think of the R code and 428 engine and say its collectable without looking into the original parts of the car in detail that makes its real value. . Same with the GTHO they sold ,plenty of things wrong with that one that I picked including the left hand front wheel was a 12 slotter copy : brake booster ,horn, etc etc . What about the Monaro $310,000 and don't forget all cars have a 7.5 % buyers charge on top of the sale price and most are sold unregistered and with no RWC .
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I watched the auction on the internet, that Monaro was crazy.
I did notice the Testarossa front panels where all over the place in the video, nothing lined up, also wrong exhaust, steering wheel and header tanks, all pricey items to fix.
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Yeah Dave, the rear panels were the same. It came from Japan so my have been caught up in the tsunami. LOL
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Lloyds have another classic car auction on sat 8 th April ,plenty of Mustangs .
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After what that pastel grey thing went for; if I had one to sell, I'd be running it through there for sure.
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I see all 3 off the Mustangs are back in from the last auction, i cant believe they did sell for the previous prices they got to in the auction, with the exception of the race car.
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I might pop over and check out the cars today . They told me they were going to have a auction once a month but they were getting so many classics they didn't know what to do ,well they worked it out , about every two weeks :thud: .They are making a fortune at 8% for the seller and 7.5% for the buyer chargers :thud: Even tho most cars don't meet reserve ,but the ones that do make them big dollars . I asked them for a part time job for these Classic cars and told them I know quite a lot about classic cars and they said NO ,we don't want someone that knows too much :thud: hmmm .I suppose they can't get into trouble when describing the cars ,they say they just sell them . Sounds like going into a dealer ship and talking to a sales person :grin:
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Sounds familiar, When I was thinking about a career change, I went for a sales job at the local ford dealership, i was told i knew far to much about the products and that was not a good thing!
"we just want to sell cars here we don't need to know everything about them".
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Pedro and myself went out today for a look see ,cars every where . A black 1969 fastback ( Mach 1 ? not sure )but with a 427 stroker and five speed manual . Lloyds just don't have the inside space for 90% of these cars so they are outside . Two very tuff Camaros also , plus many other classic cars .
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Lloyds classic car auctions on again tomorrow but online and in NSW . A few nice cars including a shelby mustang , 2 Aussie R/T 6 pack chargers and plenty of other cars .
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I picture 15 of the big tank Charger supposed to tell you that this car stinks ... https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?cid=8&smode=0&lid=1055056&pgn=1&pgs=100&gv=True
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That ash tray stinks . Gee the air cleaners are rusty . It might be original but not in the best condition . I mis my old R/T six pack I use to own ,and couldn't afford one now :cry:
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$40K for a VL Calais ??? :thud:
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Wow the R Code made $88000
That is not necessarily true . I sell a lot of cars at auctions and the auctioneers will often pretend there are bids if the bids are low in hopes of getting a buyer that will bid close car close enough to a sellers reserve that the seller will lift the reserve . You can ALWAYS tell if there is a real bid by looking at the ring peoples hands that are taking the bid . An open hand means there are no bids and a closed hand means the bid that was just received is a real one, not an "air bid".
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I mis my old R/T six pack I use to own
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I had several of the 6 packs and also had several t/a challengers . I love the challengers.
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This 65 mustang says its original matching no. car with 3 owners yet it has a 302 V8 in it?
In auction language, this really mans that it was originally a mustang and that the vin on the body matches the vin on the title. :lmao:
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I had several of the 6 packs and also had several t/a challengers . I love the challengers.
Our RT 6 packs were 2 cylinders & 75 cubic inches smaller than yours :grin: :grin:
But they pulled like a 14 year old & were mighty quick.
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Our RT 6 packs were 2 cylinders & 75 cubic inches smaller than yours :grin: :grin:
But they pulled like a 14 year old & were mighty quick.
1 barrel per cylinder, sounds cool to me . i'll have to try and look one up on the internet to see what the engines look like.
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1 barrel per cylinder, sounds cool to me . i'll have to try and look one up on the internet to see what the engines look like.
No need - just go to pic # 9 here. https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?cid=8&smode=0&lid=1055056&pgn=1&pgs=100&gv=True
Yes, that's 3 Webbers you can see hanging off the side and they could out-accelerate the revered Falcon GT HO.
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Yes Barnett the valiant charger R/T six pack models are worth looking up . They had models from 1971 -1973 . The 1st was called a E37 then a E38 , a E48 , the E37 and E38 had a 3 speed manual gear boxes :sick: the E48 was the 1st to use a 4 speed box then the last model in the 6 pack range was the E 49 which had a 4 speed box . They started off with around 280 HP then went up to 302 HP in the E 49 . The E 49 ran around a 14.1-14.3 @ 100-101 mph with a 3.5 ratio diff and crapy street tyres of the day . A 265 cu in straight. 6 with triple 45 mm side draft webers hanging off the side . After these , they made an E55 v8 model that had your 340 engine . The E48 was rare and was a plain Jane looking car and not painted up like the others and was in sleeper mode :burnout:
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Enough to make a grow man cry had an E38 paid a whopping $1500 for it (1985)brought it of side of road on way home from a trip out to the river-land in Adelaide.My how times change
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Would make a nice addition to the toy collection...
https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=6141&lid=1061957&pgn=1&pgs=100&gv=True
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Regarding the Dick Johnson XC Bathurst coupe up for auction this Saturday ....
A few posts from another forum ...
*Dick Johnson's XC Coupe is up for auction
*Didn't Dick raid that car of its key mechanical hardware to create his first Tru-Blu XD?
*Yep, its well known the hardtop was gutted of everything racing related and rebuilt using the driveline from the XD that replaced it and the hardtop was supposed to have been sold off as a used car.
UPDATE .... http://www.v8sleuth.com.au/news/2017/05/25/johnson-hardtop-in-online-auction-
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Would make a nice addition to the toy collection...
https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=6141&lid=1061957&pgn=1&pgs=100&gv=True
You're not allowed any more toys until you stop breaking the one's you already have.
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You're not allowed any more toys until you stop breaking the one's you already have.
Yes dear.. :lmao:
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You're not allowed any more toys until you stop breaking the one's you already have.
ummm...correction...he didn't break it this last time...he set it on fire! :lmao:
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I see Lloyds auctions have a 69 BOSS 429 up for auction :burnout:
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I see Lloyds auctions have a 69 BOSS 429 up for auction :burnout:
They display the VIN as 9F02719885.
A 1969 Boss 429 VIN starts at 9FO2Zxxxxxx
I think they've taken the Z as a 7 and left a number off the sequential.
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I believe the bidding go to $300k and they were going to start commence discussions in an attempt to have the car sold. When watching the online bidding I did notice the bonnet and boot panels didn't line up 100% for fully restored car. This could mainly been the new rubbers being fitted during the resto
Herman
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at Lloyds auction there are a couple of nice classic cars, at least from pictures...
this is one: https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=2&lid=3686320
how safe is to buy a classic car from them?
From Lloyds I bought few things in the past year or so, but not very expensive stuff, and to be fair I didn't have any issue with the items. But customer service is not great and item descriptions are generally very basic, with not many details, so sometimes it's like a stab in the dark.
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It is safe to buy off them ,I have . I had a quick look over that mustang last time it went up for auction ,it’s ok but only ok with my quick look over . They must want big dollars tho because it made low 70s I think and did not meet reserve ,plus 8% on top I think . I think it was very average under the car ? . I will go and have a better look over it for you if you like . They are very hard to deal with and it’s hard to look over the cars ,
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It is safe to buy off them ,I have . I had a quick look over that mustang last time it went up for auction ,it’s ok but only ok with my quick look over . They must want big dollars tho because it made low 70s I think and did not meet reserve ,plus 8% on top I think . I think it was very average under the car ? . I will go and have a better look over it for you if you like . They are very hard to deal with and it’s hard to look over the cars ,
Thanks for that, but the Mustang on the link above is well over my budget, at least for now.
So it is not the first time that it goes for sale with them?
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Went up last auction . I haven’t liked most of the other mustangs