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Events & Club Runs, News & Questions Related To Your State => Victoria => Topic started by: Macka on February 11, 2011, 06:13:47 pm
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Frequently Asked Questions on the Victorian Logbook Club Permit Scheme
Updated 4.2.011
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The following questions and answers have been prepared by the AOMC Executive from issues and questions raised in general forum with Victoria Police and VicRoads over a long period..
The Title of " Victorian Logbook Club Permit Scheme" refers to a series of changes introduced by VicRoads to take effect on 1 February 2011. The regulations: Road Safety (Vehicles) Amendment (Club Permit) Regulations 2010 under which the Scheme operates, may be downloaded from the AOMC web site in text form. Refer also to the instructions provided with your logbook.
The Victorian Logbook Club Permit Scheme is administered by VicRoads under the VicRoads Business Rules. Victoria Police ensures compliance with the scheme.
Some issues of the Scheme may not be specifically addressed in the Regulations and VicRoads Business Rules and so may be open to the subjective interpretation and consequently fall within a "grey area".
As a consequence, where the interpretation is unclear, the AOMC recommends that the permit holder take a conservative position !!
Given the significant benefits and modest fees, users of the scheme must consider it a privilege rather than a right. Abuse of the scheme could result in far reaching implications to the individual, their club and the Permit Scheme in general, such as:
Fines for driving an unregistered vehicle, or
Loss of your individual Club Permit, or
Loss of your club's authority to operate the Club Permit Scheme, or
Cancellation of the Club Permit Scheme for all enthusiasts.
The introduction of the logbook scheme also places conditions on Clubs and individual club members to ensure the intent of the scheme. To this end, Authorised Clubs have been required to enter into an agreement with VicRoads. In general, the Logbook Club Permit Scheme applies to vehicles 25 years and older with a rolling 25 year year cutoff.
In summary, the Logbook CPS requires that :
- The holder is a financial member of a club,
- The vehicle is safe and roadworthy,
- The vehicle is not used for commercial purposes
- A logbook entry is made if the vehicle moves more than 100 metres from the vehicle's garage address.
Note a "day" in a logbook entry is from 12 midnight to 12 midnight.
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Q1. May I use my Club Permit Vehicle for a family wedding?
A. Yes, the logbook requires an entry. Note that a CPS vehicle cannot be used for hire or reward hence a regular business in wedding transport is not permitted.
Q2. Can I tow a trailer with a Club Permit Vehicle?
A.1 Passenger car or derivative (see also Q.33):
Yes, subject to normal rules for the registration and towing of trailers eg. weight, coupling, lighting, speed limits etc. If a towed trailer obscures the number plate of the towing vehicle there is a requirement that the registration number of the towing vehicle is displayed by painting or otherwise on the rear of the towed vehicle. Trailers owners are also able to order a “Trailer Exempt” plate from VicRoads. (Revised 1.2.11)
A2. Commercial vehicle (truck) , see Q3 below:
Q3. Can a (semi)trailer be placed on the CPS?
A. Yes. A heavy trailer (semi trailer, dog trailer etc) can be listed as a CPS vehicle in its own right providing it meets the 25 year rule and roadworthy requirements. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q4. Can a learner driver operate a Club Permit Vehicle?
A. Yes, subject to the normal rules for learner drivers.
Q5. Why have I not received a renewal notice for my Club Permit vehicle?
A. It is permit holder's responsibility to ensure a permit is renewed. The Club Permit Scheme is stored on a separate computer system to the general VicRoads data files and hence if you should change your address for a fully registered vehicle, or a Driver's Licence, then a separate advice is still required for a Club Permit vehicle.
Q6. Can a modified vehicle be used under the Club Permit scheme?
A. Yes, provided the vehicle is in a safe condition. In some cases an Engineer's Certificate might be required. Note that the CPS must not be considered a method of driving an unsafe or unroadworthy vehicle.
Q7. Under what conditions may I test my Club Permit Vehicle?
A. It is the owner/driver's responsibility to maintain the vehicle in a safe condition. A logbook entry is required for any testing or "exercising" of the vehicle, where the vehicle is operated more than 100 m from the listed garaged address. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q8. May my mechanic (repair garage) test drive my vehicle?
A. Yes. A logbook entry by the driver will be required for any testing of the vehicle.
Q9. May I drive my Club Permit Vehicle interstate.
A. Yes. But note that at this stage Western Australia may still require a separate WA permit for travel in that state ? (The new Logbook CPS is yet to be clarified)
Q10. Our club has a display day at a Swap Meet. May I carry a load of spare parts in my Club Permit Vehicle to sell at the Swap Meet?
A. No. Club Permit Vehicles must not be used for carrying goods for hire or for personal or business gain.
Q11. My CH number plate has been damaged. How can I replace it?
A. Duplicate number plates can be ordered either by contacting VicRoads Telephone Information Service on 131171 or by presenting the damaged plate, and evidence of identity at a VicRoads’ Customer Service Centre. A fee will apply for the replacement plate(s). (Revised 1.2.11)
Q12. Can I have two garage addresses listed for my CH plated vehicle?
A. Legislation and VicRoads rules stipulate only one address however you may have the vehicle garage address different from your residential address (and for service of notices).
Q13. I want to put my bike rack on my CH vehicle, can I get another small bike plate for the rack?
A. Bike rack number plates are available for club permit vehicles.
Q14. Can a Club get a list of owners of CH vehicles in their club from VicRoads?
A. A statement has recently been added to club permit applications and renewals, authorising VicRoads to provide information to the clubs about vehicles linked to their clubs through the club permit scheme. (However, VicRoads will not be in a position to provide that information to the clubs until all permit holders have signed the authorisation over the next 12 months.) (Revised 1.2.11)
Q15. What are the limits to modifications permitted to CH vehicles?
A. Vehicle Standards Information publication (VSI 8), available from the VicRoads book shop, provides guidance. Heavily modified vehicles may need an Engineer's Certificate.
Q16. Can I sell my vehicle with CH plate and can the CH plate be transferred to the new owner?
A. Yes provided the new owner is a member of the same club and the plates will be re-issued for the same vehicle. The vehicle will need to be re-permitted to the new owner by submitting a new application, safety inspection or Certificate of Roadworthiness and the appropriate fees. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q17. Does the driver of the CH plated vehicle need to be the permit holder?
A. No.
Q18. Can L plate or P plate drivers operate a RHD CH plated vehicle?
A. Yes, but note that the vehicle insurers may impose restrictions on drivers of vehicles less than 30 years old.
Q19. Can L plate or P plate drivers operate a LHD CH plated vehicle?
A. A. Yes, but as the driver's visibility may be restricted, caution should be exercised. Note that the vehicle insurers may impose restrictions on drivers of vehicles less than 30 years old. (Revised 1.2.2011 and 21.10.2011) Updated****
Q20. I belong to two clubs authorised to operate the Club Permit Scheme. My CH plated vehicle is recorded by one club. Can I have another 90 day Logbook issued through my other club?
A. No, only one Logbook per vehicle! A member of more than one club may have various vehicles listed with certain clubs but dual listing of a vehicle is not permitted.
Q21. Our club is authorised to operate the Club Permit Scheme. We have original vehicles over 25 years old on the scheme. We also have members with replicas of these vehicles that were made only 5 years ago. Can these replicas operate under the CPS?
A. Yes, provided the replica is of a vehicle originally manufactured at least 25 years ago.
Q22. Can I park my CH plated vehicle in the street on any day when it is not used?
A. Yes, but this would require an entry in the logbook. You may temporarily "shuffle" CPS vehicles in and out of your property up to a distance of 100m without need for a Logbook entry. Note that if you were to leave your vehicle parked in the street more than 100m from its garaged address for a number of days then this would require a logbook entry for each day! (Revised 1.2.11)
Q23. I purchased my vehicle unregistered and in pieces. What paperwork is needed to put my vehicle on the Club Permit Scheme?
A. Firstly, refer to the Club Permit Scheme handbook for the general requirements of the CPS.
You must have:
- the CPS Application Form completed and endorsed by the duly authorised officer of your club confirming that you are a current member.
- personal ID and evidence and that you own the vehicle.
- a current Roadworthiness Certificate or Club Statement of Safety.
You should also have:
- proof that the vehicle was previously registered or club permitted in Victoria eg. registration certificate or CP. If the vehicle has not been registered or permitted in Australia, and the vehicle was imported after 1989, then Import Approval and Customs Import documents identifying the vehicle need to be produced.
If you cannot supply the previous registration details but are certain that the vehicle was registered in Australia then it is recommended you provide a formal Statutory Declaration attesting to the information (including registration, engine and chassis numbers where possible). The results of an Engine Number search of the AOMC Engine Number Records for Victoria might be useful.
Generally, as with other VicRoads permits, there should be no need to present the vehicle for inspection at the time of applying for the Club Permit but in the event of dispute you should be able to have the vehicle available for either a VicRoads or VASS inspection. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q24. I have a bus on the CPS. May I use it to carry passengers ?
A. Commercial vehicles (including trucks & buses) are not permitted to carry goods for hire or reward. It is permissible to carry club member vehicles to events free of charge. Note that if a bus (including a CPS vehicle) carries 12 or more passengers plus driver it comes under Bus Regulations which require annual inspections by authorised inspectors. The owner of the vehicle may also have insurance responsibilities as part of "The Duty of Care"
It should also be noted that some heavy vehicles are subject to heavy vehicle fatigue laws, regardless of whether they are carrying a load or passengers for hire or reward. The operator of a heavy vehicle that is defined as “fatigue regulated heavy vehicle” is required to complete a “work diary” as well as the club permit log book when the vehicle is in use.
A heavy vehicle is a fatigue regulated heavy vehicle if it is any of the following—
(a) a motor vehicle with a GVM of more than 12 tonnes; or
(b) a combination with a GVM of more than 12 tonnes; or
(c) a bus.
(2) However, a heavy vehicle is not a fatigue regulated heavy vehicle if it is any of the following—
(a) a tram; or
(b) a motor vehicle that—
(i) is built, or has been modified, primarily to operate as a machine or implement off-road, on a road-related area, or on an area of road that is under construction; and
(ii) is not capable of carrying goods or passengers by road; or
(c) a motor home.. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q25. I attend various car shows and displays on behalf of my employer. My vehicle is on the CPS and is displayed with advertising at the Trade Stall of my employer.
A. The “no commercial use” requirement refers to carrying loads or passengers for commercial gain. VicRoads policy does not prohibit vehicles being painted and operated, or used as static advertisement, to promote a business. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q26. I have purchased an unregistered 26 year old LHD vehicle from overseas. What paperwork is needed to put my vehicle on the Club Permit Scheme?
A. See answer 23 above. Also, if there is no evidence of the vehicle previously being registered in Australia, then you may be required to supply an Engineer's Report attesting that it meets the relevant Australian standards. The vehicle may need to be presented for inspection at VicRoads.
Q27. Our club has signed an agreement with VicRoads to operate under the scheme. It requires that the club advise VicRoads of unfinancial members. Does this mean all unfinancial members or only those with CPS vehicles?
A. Only those unfinancial members with CPS vehicles managed by your club.
Q28. Under our present Club consititution unfinancial members do not cease to be members until after 3 months from the end of the club's financial year. When must we advise VicRoads?
A. In the above mentioned example at the end of the financial year plus 3 months. However as some clubs may have differing rules in relation to membership, VicRoads needs to be notified when the club concerned considers the permit holder to no longer be a club member. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q29. I used to operate a transport business. I have since retired and the company has been wound up. I have retained some of my early trucks which are still sign written with my company name. Can I keep the signage on the vehicles if they are on the CPS?
A. Yes, see answer 25 above. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q30. Are annual roadworthiness inspections of CPS vehicles required?
A. No, VicRoads do not require annual roadworthy inspections. Clubs may carry out annual inspections as a condition of membership.
Q31. Who is to be responsible in our club for managing our club permit vehicles?
A. In the first instance, your club Committee is responsible. It is recommended that the committee appoint a "Registrar" or "Permit Officer" who shall be authorised to sign off new club permit applications and renewals confirming the applicant is a financial member of the club. He shall also keep records of those vehicles on the CPS in the club that can be audited, if so requested by VicRoads. The signature(s) of those club official(s) authorised to sign off on a club permit must be registered with VicRoads.
Q32. Why must our Club Permit Officer sight the Roadworthy Certificate (RWC) or club Attestation of Safety for a new application for a club permit?
A. This is intended to preclude the possibility of an applicant submitting a false Attestation of Safety to VicRoads (where a vehicle might not otherwise pass a RWC).
Q33. Must my trailer be fully registered when towed by a CPS vehicle?
A. Reference to a VicRoads leaflet (12-91) on trailers states:
The Road Safety Act requires most trailers to be registered to be allowed on public roads. Exceptions to this are: small trailers which are not boat trailers and are not used for commercial purposes, and which weigh less than 200 kg unloaded, are less than 3.0 m overall length (including any load) and are narrower than the towing vehicle. All trailers must have a number plate on the back. Trailers not registered with their own plate must use the number of the towing vehicle. (New 2.2.11)
For any further questions regarding our Club Permit Scheme you should contact either Graham FOLWEL (9752 9081), Craig McKENZIE (0417 561 246) (edit) or Joe BORG (9743 7438)West suburbs who are our Club Permit Scheme officers.
Please contact them if you wish to have a vehicle inspected. Prior contact and booking with them will save you time and any confusion.
“Previous contracts between the club and yourself, prior to 1st Feb, 2011 will need to be updated and new contracts signed by vehicle owners to remain in the new scheme.”
Thanks
Mac
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Sounds like a bit of a PITA. Cheap insurance and rego but I would think it would be better to pay full rego and do what you want with hit.
I can't really say though, as I'm still looking for that mach 1
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Just bringing this back up again to save any emails.......
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Hey Macka
Maybe worth while reposting this one under the Vic section as well.
Herman
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Macka,
Do you know what is involved in going from full rego to a club permit ? Between the Mustang and the Galaxie I would save $1000 per year and would still have 180 driving days between the two.
Cheers,
Frank.
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FRank
It is my understanding that you'll need to obtain a Roadworthy for both cards, then obtain the club permit scheme form from Vic Roads before taking the cars to the Club's Permit scheme officer from inspection and then finally submitting all paperwork to Vic Roads
Herman
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Thanks Herman.
I was hoping I didn't need a RWC since the cars are on full rego currently. I might give Vicroads a call.
Cheers,
Frank.
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Frank,
I have just signed up for the Club rego, I had full rego but still required a roadworthy. As part of the scheme I believe you can get a scrutineers report from a club but this would require MOCA to provide assurance that your car is roadworthy (not saying it isnt, but its lots of reposnsibility on the scrutineers).
Having spoken to other people from differnent clubs, fewer clubs will put their name to a report these days.
Road worthy is a quick and easy way to prove the car is fit for the road and is easy for the club to process.
It was a pretty easy process, thanks to Macka. Haven't used the car since but it all seems easy to live with. I only went for 45 days book, seems plenty to me at a little under 4 trips a month. My full rego was really an annual donation for Vicroads, the $65 paid now is realistic for the amount I use it on the road. Ill pocket the $600 and do other things.
Process is Roadworthy - Club Permit form to the club (downloadable on Vicroads website) - submit the paperwork to Vicroads - cancel your old rego. Easy as.
Troy
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Thanks Troy.
Cheers,
Frank.
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Frank:
Thanks to the boys for the info and praise.
It is a pretty easy process and after we have done your inspection (to prove to VicRoads that it is the car that the club is sponsoring) the paperwork is all signed off by us and then its up to you to take the paperwork to VicRoads and pay the money. The forms are downloadable prior to your inspection and once done there is no need to produce the car at VicRoads or to make an appointment. They supply the plates there and then. The only thing we need to know then is your new plate number so that we can include it on your contract you make with the club that you will only drive it under the conditions of the permit. Which can be up to either 45 or 90 days of the year and the log book is filled out prior to commencing any days usage.
Its an easy system and well worth it if you drive your car less than 90 days in a year.
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Does anyone need an inspection done at the meeting tomorrow night? 18/5/2011....
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I will have a chat to you tomorrow night, Im thinking I might go this way rather than full rego, that is if my convertible ever gets finished.
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Tim, no worries... :thumb:
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A reminder in relation to the Club Permit Scheme and being a member of a club.
If you do not renew your membership and you are caught driving your car whilst not a current paid up member, the Permit for the car can be deemed invalid and you can be done by Mr Plod for driving an unregistered car.
Memberships are now due, so please make sure they are paid.
Thanks.
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Hi there,I am from NSW and was thinking how could we
implement this great Club Permit Scheme in NSW?It is more flexible than what we have now.
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So can P platers drive LHD fully rego'ed vehicles in Vic?
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No. Only a fully licenced driver may drive a LHD CH Plated vehicle. (All LHD vehicles may only be driven by only a fully licenced driver). (Revised 1.2.11)
Edited.... L and P platers can drive LHD cars. P platers are restricted to 6cyl and non turbo and supercharged vehicles.
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Hi there,I am from NSW and was thinking how could we
implement this great Club Permit Scheme in NSW?It is more flexible than what we have now.
I agree Birdman. It would be great if we could get something like this going for NSW
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Macka,
Just wanted to say .... Excellent effort mate.
Keep up your great effort for this scheme..:thumb::thumb:
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so to go from full rego to the club permit ill need a RWC and the club to sight the car?
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this all still seems worth it saves you $$
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No. Only a fully licenced driver may drive a LHD CH Plated vehicle. (All LHD vehicles may only be driven by only a fully licenced driver). (Revised 1.2.11)
The RHD vehicles must be a 6 cylinder version also for P platers. (No turbos or superchargers) ....... L PLaters can be taught with any size, but must be supervised.
hi Macka.
I actually rang Vicroads to ask this same question and they say a P plater can drive a LHD car.
I was pleasantly surprised I must admit.
Cheers,
Frank.
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Frank, AOMC also say that only a fully licenced driver may drive a LHD vehicle.
It may be you have been given incorrect info.
Other car club officials/members have also said to me that P platers are not able to drive LHD vehicles.
I have a friend who is keenly interested in this fact and his clear understanding is that your info is incorrect.
Hope I am wrong but ?????? Good luck.
I think you will find insurance is a bit of an issue too!
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I talked to VicRoads last week and was advised that a Learner can drive the LHD ok.
I did not ask about the Probationary, but I am sure I had read somewhere it is not allowed.
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Hi Guys, reading some of those questions and answers I would be in trouble as if you play by the letter of the law then its over a Km to my front road gate and I drive around the roads here also with this question 26 they cost about $800 so where is the fun in that and with the old scheme you could drive around this country and take six months now that could not happen again... this is just the base of the pyramid as I see it because when they audit the books is a few years time it will show that you only drove the car 60 to 90 times in one year and some other clubs used it 20 times so they (the Vicroads and other states) will say that you do not need that many days so 20 or so will be taken off and it will decrease as the time moves on till there are no old cars on our roads only hybrid plastic junk..Rg
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Dead66, sorry to burst your conspiracy bubble but the log books do not have to be kept after your scheme dates expire. So the log book are never audited, unless you are the subject of an enquiry.
Entries are required where the vehicle is operated more than 100 m from the listed garaged address. This is outside your front gate, not the distance from your garage.
The system is much better than it was and is pretty well priced for 90 days usage.
If someone is unclear on the above Q&A's, have a read of the AOMC website or refer to the Road Rules & Regulations. The AOMC works pretty hard with VicRoads and Government agencies to develop these rules.
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Macka,
Got my full rep renewal the other day - over $540 - so I am considering changing to CH rego.
AS I cannot get to Mleb for a few weeks with the car, what sort of docs/report do you need from my mechanic to prove its roadworthiness. Is a full RWC required?
Thanks,
Terry G.
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Terry, U2U forwarded. :thumb:
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Another thing I discovered when I received the 90 day renewal for one of my bikes today is it's easy to check your usage.
A quick check of the log book showed that I rode it 7 times since Feb first, so I rang them up and changed it to a 45 day permit.
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Hi guys, I read the posting and can not understand why you say that its more flexible.
Stallion wrote earlier ( Hi there, I am from NSW and was thinking how could we implement this great Club Permit Scheme in NSW? , It is more flexible than what we have now.)
Now as I understand it so tell me if I have it incorrect with the details as I only have to follow the NSW rules.
As I see it, With what the Vic roads and South Aust roads is putting up is very restricted and extra money for them. From the facts that I have read and under stand from what I have been told..
In NSW we pay $56 for 12 months, in Vic they pay $45 for 45 days or $90 for 90 day and in South Aust its $150 for 90 day.
Is this correct?
In NSW you can use your car on any club run, to and from the servo for oil or fuel and with a 20cent phone call to the plates register if you want to take it out for repairs or test run. the more outings your club puts on the more you can go out. If you join two clubs you can double that and if you and a few friends wish to drive around Australia for 4 months you can and go into any state on NSW plates, this can not be done on the book system as you are stuck half way around as the 45 day or 90 day would be up.
You can use your car on any tours put on by other clubs if they send an invite to you or your clubs that you belong to....
By my counting you could take your car out as much as you want and still be inside the plate system all for $56.. and some 20cent phone calls.....
Also one other point that I was thinking, if you drive around town for your ninety day then the car can not go out again till the next year and if you take it out to get an inspection for next years rego or a quick trip then it can not be moved as it is unregistered and you would be driving it against the rules..... Ray
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It sounds like you need full rego Dead66, that provides you with the ability to drive your car anywhere anytime. Club rego may not suit everyone but it sure is gunna suit me.
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I will need club rego soon for my 66 could someone tell me who to talk to about this or some contact details.
In Victoria that is.
Mark.
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Graham Folwell is the co-ordinator for MOCA Vic, his number is in the Club magazine.
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nickd. you can ring either myself or Graham, we are both South Eastern suburbs.
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Just bringing this back up again.
The L and P plater ruling for LHD vehicles will be adjusted soon after the next AOMC meeting.
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OK, the AOMC has accepted that there is no restriction for drivers of LHD vehicles.
P Platers are restricted to power to weight ratios and no V8's etc and no turbos or superchargers .......
L PLaters can be taught with any size, but must be supervised.
I have adjusted the Q&A page on here and will include it in the Vic. club scheme folder.
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That clarifies it for all of us, thanks for all your help Macka!
And once again congrats on your award, it was well deserved.:fantastic:
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As an FYI on the cost of this in Vic I have had savings in first year of over $2,000. This is from stamp duty on first registration, avoiding engineers certificate being a post 68 build, and the lower registration. I could also have avoided putting in Australian design belts, but I had done that before the scheme kicked in.
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We have been flat out with signing on new cars and cars that were under full rego to this new scheme and there still seems to be alot of questions being asked regarding the process to get it. Contact either myself, Graham or Joe from the Club if you are need any further info.
At first instance, whether your car is unregistered or currently registered then you will need to obtain a roadworthy certificate for it which is good for 30 days from the date of issue. You will then need to contact one of us to book the scheme inspection date and time. At the inspection we will then check the vehicle, VIN and engine numbers, stamp your completed VicRoads scheme application form (available on VicRoads website) and complete the contract between yourself and the club regarding the use of the permit. If the vehicle has not been registered before then we will need to sight your Import (DOTARS) approval. The use of the vehicle and log book will be explained to you.
After the completion of the inspection the paperwork can then be taken to VicRoads for the issue of Club Permit Scheme stickers, Log Book and 2 plates. You will not need to take the car to VicRoads and there is no stamp duty to be paid. You do not need to make an appointment for registration, which is normally $48.00. We will need to know the number issued to your vehicle so that your contract can be issued to you. The cost for 90 days use including log book and plates is about $130.
Each year you will need to renew your permit with a co-ordinator's approval but you will not be required to attend an inspection or RWC for this. Annual inspections will be conducted at club events such as runs etc.
It is a simple process and many members have found the reward in costs and flexibility that the system provides.
If you have read the Q&A information above and you think it might be for you and you still have any further questions regarding our Club Permit Scheme you should contact either Graham FOLWEL (9752 9081) East , Craig McKENZIE (0417 561 246) East or Joe BORG (9743 7438)West suburbs who are our Club Permit Scheme officers for Victoria.
Thanks
Mac
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Macka, I've just read the regs above, and just wanted to check a couple of things.
If I bought a 1986 F Truck, I would need an Engineers Report to say it complies with the applicable ADR's?
I could keep it LHD
I could sign write it
I could tow a car trailer to the races/summernats, go camping etc etc.
I could not use it to pick up pallets from my shipping company?
I could not use it to attent the Round up, if I am carrying my parts in it? But I could use it to tow my car there (and bring my marquee and parts in a seperate vehicle?)
I could have a 5th wheel hitch fitted, and tow a 5th wheeler?
Cheers mate
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Macka, I've just read the regs above, and just wanted to check a couple of things.
If I bought a 1986 F Truck, I would need an Engineers Report to say it complies with the applicable ADR's?
I could keep it LHD
I could sign write it
I could tow a car trailer to the races/summernats, go camping etc etc.
I could not use it to pick up pallets from my shipping company?
I could not use it to attent the Round up, if I am carrying my parts in it? But I could use it to tow my car there (and bring my marquee and parts in a seperate vehicle?)
I could have a 5th wheel hitch fitted, and tow a 5th wheeler?
Cheers mate
Steph,
If the Ford is within the boundaries and could be taken on by the scheme if its in its original form. ie: Unmodified. An engineers report wouldn't be necessary.
LHD would be OK. The sign writing part was discussed at the AOMC recently, you could not do it if it formed part of providing a service or using the vehicle in the case of trade, hire or reward. In other words, not being seen to use it to make money from.
Towing your own race or display car to an event would be fine as long as you weren't there to provide a service or seek reward. A normal tow hitch would be ok but modifying it to take a turntable may be outside the relms of its original form for the historic scheme.
Before making any purchases though, I would lodge the intention with our club's committee to make sure it doesn't breach any part of the club's constitution and you are not left high and dry with a vehicle you cannot do anything with.
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Something like this:
https://picasaweb.google.com/103681242996587082760/1986FORDF250EXT4X4?authkey=Gv1sRgCP3_-fzclsKiigE&gsessionid=CZUTCiDa7OVKb7oEGsOWIw#
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Would locally fitted & complied LPG be a modification (causing the car to need an engineers?)
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No, would not fall under VSI 8 but would need fitters certification and compliance plate fitted.
Your fifth wheel question would be allowed as long as the turntable and assembly is fitted to comply with the version of Australian Standards 1771 Articulated Vehicles - Fifth Wheel Assemblies current at the time of installation.
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OK, so it would need to be a locally fitted and complied 5th Wheel, to be sure, rather than the one it comes with from the US?
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Steph, have a read of the VicRoads VSI 8 regarding mods and whats currently allowed without certificates, these are about to change around Australia to make it tougher on modified vehicles and engineers reports. The fifth wheel would need local fitter certification and compliance fitted much the same as an LPG fitment would. If it was a USA fit, i'd imagine a fitter here would have to check and tag as complying.
Remember, a club scheme vehicle needs to be in an unmodified condition and you would need to lodge the intention with our club's committee to make sure it doesn't breach any part of the club's constitution and you are not left high and dry with a vehicle you cannot do anything with.
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Hi Macka.
When completing the log book and you include the driver's name, is another driver permitted to drive the vehicle on that day as well? My concern is that if the other driver needs to be entered into the log book, it would use one of the preset number of days in the log book.
Peter
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Nah, its fine. Anyone who is licensed can drive the vehicle once its been signed out for the days use. No extra lines of use are requirred.
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Nah, its fine. Anyone who is licensed can drive the vehicle once its been signed out for the days use. No extra lines of use are requirred.
Thanks for that Macka.
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Just bringing this back up again for those that haven't read it. Maybe it will save me answering some calls..
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macka
being a qualified mechanic with professional indemnity insurance
if required i may be in a position to help you with testing in the north?
thats if you can use the help
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Just bringing this back up again for those that haven't read it. Maybe it will save me answering some calls..
Macka, perhaps it would be timely to put something in the club maga agin? I;m be finishing the June magazine in the next couple of weeks so if you'd like to send me soemthing we can put it in.
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Phase ..can you issue roadworthy certificates?
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Danpony.. good idea, have sent you an update via email.
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Hi Macka, I've read this entire thread, Vic Roads site and MOCA Vic site but still have one question about the club permit scheme. If registering a newly imported car under this scheme does the vehicle need to have the VASS engineering certificate? There seems to be some conflicting information so I would just like to confirm. I am keen to go with the club scheme as I can't see myself using the car for more than 90 days a year. I can always change to full reg down the track if I need to. Thanks.
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Mach, vehicles under the club scheme are for original looking cars and not for highly modified ones. They go under the Rod registration scheme which is where engineering certificates are required. Give me a ring and we'll go through it for you.
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Phase ..can you issue roadworthy certificates?
i could if i wanted too but need to get back to vic roads and set it up again (get the workshop approved)
from my understanding you don't need to be a vic roadworthy tester to do this though just need to be able to know whats safe and whats not?
my ex employee does it for the mazda club i'm looking at doing it for the ho club and if i can help here its double whammy.
just trying to help and as i'm open every day nearly its handy for members makes their life easier than waiting for an opertune time/meeting etc?
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Yep, in the regulations someone from within the club who is skilled examining cars to meet legal limitations and signing off on them. Alot of clubs in the scheme are now, as the Vic MOCA club does is require that a roadworthy is conducted by a licensed examiner. This takes any legal ramifications away from the club or someone from within a club who signs a vehicle off. This would come into play if the vehicle was for some reason come under the microscope by the law or the coroner as to why a standard wasn't met or a modification made which was not within the scope of the scheme. I'll explain it all next time you are at a meeting or club run.
Members are always asking where they can get a RWC done by someone who knows classic older cars.
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love to meet you
and yes i understand what your saying
hence why a qualified mechanic doing the check as it would be done for roadworthy i thought met and surpassed the requirements how i read them but will read them again soon and take further what you have said on board.
happy to catch up any time you like, and happy to pull my finger out n clean the storage mess up so the shop can be recognized again by vic roads
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Mach, vehicles under the club scheme are for original looking cars and not for highly modified ones. They go under the Rod registration scheme which is where engineering certificates are required. Give me a ring and we'll go through it for you.
Thanks Macka, once I've seen what needs addressed for RWC I'll give you a call about the reg.
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Cant find anything around after doing a search, on clarification over the 'brief description' of reason for travel in the CPS Log Book. It states rather major instances for e.g, like 'club show', 'melbourne to bendigo' etc ... but what if i am just doing something trivial like going down to the shops? Do you put 'going for coffee down street'? And what if your doing a few little things over the day, do you have to try and squeeze in 10 little descriptions of every place you decide to go to? Also lastly, i like to get in and just go for a drive in a general direction, not knowing where i'll end up... cruise about so to say. What would you put then? I.e how descriptive or accurate does it need to be? Just wanna make sure i'm doing the right thing. Thanks for any help.
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Wilbury, it only needs to be a general description. I've seen suburbs, shows, open drive, Towns, day drive and all sorts of things.
Think of it this way, if you were trying to get out of the house and you were yelling out to the Mrs that you were going to the next suburb and ended up 600 km away, who really cares. Once you sign it off, its open for a days drive no matter where you end up.
Keep it simple and you'll understand it easy.
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If I'm going on a trip I'll put the details in, such as Melbourne - Beechworth or Melbourne Ballarat return, but if I'm only going to be in Melbourne I'll put Melbourne area in the box as I think this covers it.
I don't know how anal the Cops are going to be as I haven't been pulled over with this new system. I was pulled over on my motorbike on the old system because the Cops put my plate into their computer and nothing came up.
I had to explain to them that nothing showed on their computer because it wasn't registered, it was on the Club Permit Scheme.
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Thanks for that Macka/SXTY8, so its more about signing off for the day. And not to fuss too much over the description.
Cheers guys.
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Just brining this to the attention of newer members.
Also be aware that for the scheme plates to be valid, you need to be a finacial member of the club in which it is issued.
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Anyone who is thinking of joining the club and having their car on the scheme, please remember that your application sits on the table for 30 days before you are issued with your membership.
This means that if you rush out and get your RWC, it may expire before you can have it on the scheme. Please wait and ring one of the clyb scheme signatures before rushing out and doing anything.
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Be aware that for the scheme plates to be valid, you need to be a finacial member of the club in which it was issued.
Make sure your membership is paid up..
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Hi Macka.
Yes - you need to be a financial member. I thought I should bring this up. A few weeks ago I got a call from Bob in the club asking if my membership was paid up.
I had no idea ... he said it expired at the end of June, so being on a club permit, I was technically unregistered. While I was very grateful for the call, I had driven my car several times over 2 months unregistered. I realise the onus is one us to make sure our memberships are current, but I dont think a reminder letter for renewal is too hard to do. All other clubs I have been in do it.
Bob said something about the club magazine should have something in it about, but there was a problem with it or something or other - I am not sure. I haven't seen a Mag for a while - probably since my membership expired !
I am grateful for the call and renewed on the spot with Bob, but is there any plan to have letters go out ? I dare say there are more members on the club scheme now and I am sure I was not the only one caught out.
While in my interest of course to renew, I dont think it is in the interest of the club either if an unregistered vehicle is involved in an accident etc.
Cheers,
Frank.
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FRank, yep, that's a good example to others as well.
If you are not financial and you own cars on a club permit, then that permit becomes invalid. There are many good points to the scheme but in taking it on means the owner and driver have a few more responsibilities. I do believe a membership reminder was forgotten in the mag. but the onus is on the owner and/or driver to ensure the permit is valid before driving the car.
I did post a reminder in July, but you must have missed it.
Remember, it is not registration.
I'm sure the committee are already onto it but I'll prepare something and forward it onto them.
Thanks.
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Thanks Macka.
I dont think I got the July mag ... My membership ran out end of June I think ...
Cheers,
Frank.
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I've just received my first permit renewal and the letter accompanying it says it needs to be signed by the club secretary but the permit sticker for the log book says not required.
Do I need to have the renewal signed by the club secretary before I can go into vicroads and pay up?
Thanks,
Tim
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I've just received my first permit renewal and the letter accompanying it says it needs to be signed by the club secretary but the permit sticker for the log book says not required.
Do I need to have the renewal signed by the club secretary before I can go into vicroads and pay up?
Thanks,
Tim
It needs to be signed by one of the Club Permit Officers (Graham, Macca or Joe). They have to confirm that your membership is current and you still qualilfy for the permit scheme.
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Tim, yes.... it needs to be signed before paying for each renewal.
VicRoads needs the confirmation that you are still with the club and that the car hasn't been modified beyond whats allowed. The log book sticker doesn't need to be signed but the renewal notice does before its accepted and paid for. You can send it to me or see me or one of the guys at a run or at the next meeting.
Ring me if you need any more.
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I'm still hearing about members who are thinking of going on the scheme and then find out that they have not renewed your membership. If you think its been awhile since you've paid it, can you check your lanyard or ring Ian Collins because it may cause you problems if wanting to go onto the scheme.
There are also rumors going around that the club scheme will go to personalised plates. I have not heard this from any offical area and it has not come from the AOMC. Going onto the scheme means that you display club permit plates that are easily identifiable by law enforcement and subject to log book rules etc.
Sorry to kill these rumors, but I can not see it happening to the scheme - which is not registration.
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I read a reply from Vic Roads to the Street Rod Federation after the ASRF had asked about personalized plates for the street rod permit scheme. Vic Roads said that at this stage it is not possible but it is something that they 'may' look at in the future.
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I had a car presented the other day with modifications outside VSI 8. These mods were completed in the USA and the RWC was obtained here. No one had officially inspected the mods and cars on the scheme are meant to be presented in original condition.
Have a read of Vic Roads, Vehicle Standard Information sheet No. 8 (VSI 8) to make sure your car does not exceed those standards or an engineers report will be required prior to authorisation to go on the scheme.
http://www.victoriapolice4wdclub.org.au/Notices/VSI%20No%208%20Guide%20to%20modifications%20for%20motor%20vehicles.pdf (http://www.victoriapolice4wdclub.org.au/Notices/VSI%20No%208%20Guide%20to%20modifications%20for%20motor%20vehicles.pdf)
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Someone wanted some info on Victorian Club permits.... I've tried to get it living again. Have a read of the whole thread and if you have anymore questions, give me a yell...
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Finally found this thread!
Do you need an engine number to get Vic club permit??
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No I didn't. You do need a RWC and my mechanic was reluctant to give me one, but I rang Vicroads and was told to put 'no number' in the box where it normally goes.
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Matt, the club has a policy similar to that required by full reg. If it hasn't got an engine number then VicRoads will issue a VP number or alot I have seen have the last set of VIN numbers attached. Its only the early models that will be a problem and a new stamped number is pretty easy to do.
Think of it from the other end. If your car was stolen and you have no number, then the engine and maybe the car can never be recovered.
On top of that if we start neglecting to record our engine numbers the companys that insure our rides will determine them to be more of a risk and premiums will go up. Better we have a number recorded and insurance kept low.
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I had a car presented the other day with modifications outside VSI 8. These mods were completed in the USA and the RWC was obtained here. No one had officially inspected the mods and cars on the scheme are meant to be presented in original condition.
Have a read of Vic Roads, Vehicle Standard Information sheet No. 8 (VSI 8) to make sure your car does not exceed those standards or an engineers report will be required prior to authorisation to go on the scheme.
http://www.victoriapolice4wdclub.org.au/Notices/VSI%20No%208%20Guide%20to%20modifications%20for%20motor%20vehicles.pdf (http://www.victoriapolice4wdclub.org.au/Notices/VSI%20No%208%20Guide%20to%20modifications%20for%20motor%20vehicles.pdf)
I'm still getting more and more calls about cars coming in from the states that have been modified and never registered here or in other states for whatever reason. Be very careful in buying them as not all cars are allowed so easy on the scheme, even if you have been offered one with a RWC.
Check the VSI before buying any car offered for sale that has never been registered before.
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We have been flat out with signing on new cars and cars that were under full rego to this new scheme and there still seems to be alot of questions being asked regarding the process to get it. Contact either myself, Graham or Joe from the Club if after reading this thread you are need any further info.
At first instance, whether your car is unregistered or currently registered then you will need to obtain a roadworthy certificate for it which is good for 30 days from the date of issue. You will then need to contact one of us to book the scheme inspection date and time. If you are not yet a member, your membership will need to be tabled for 30 days before you have any club rights so don't rush in with your RWC or it may expire before you are able to apply for the scheme.
At the inspection we will then check the vehicle, VIN and engine numbers, stamp your completed VicRoads scheme application form (available on VicRoads website) and complete the contract between yourself and the club regarding the use of the permit. We will need to see you current club lanyard as you need to be a financial member. If the vehicle has not been registered before then we will need to sight your Import (DOTARS) approval. The use of the vehicle and log book will be explained to you.
After the completion of the inspection the paperwork can then be taken to VicRoads for the issue of Club Permit Scheme stickers, Log Book and 2 plates. You will not need to take the car to VicRoads and there is no stamp duty to be paid. You do not need to make an appointment for registration, which is normally $48.00.
We will need to know the number issued to your vehicle so that your contract can be issued to you. The cost for 90 days use including log book and plates is about $132.
Each year you will need to renew your permit with a co-ordinator's approval but you will not be required to attend an inspection or RWC for this. Annual inspections will be conducted at club events such as runs and shows etc. You need to hold a current club membership for the club scheme plates to be valid.
The plates issued to you from VicRoads are the plates in which you must attach to the front and rear of the car. Sticker or manufactured plates are not allowed which are now starting to appear.
It is a simple process and many members have found the reward in costs and flexibility that the system provides.
Remember to inform your insurer that you are on the scheme as insurance will be cheaper than normal.
If you have read the Q&A information above and you think it might be for you and you still have any further questions regarding our Club Permit Scheme you should contact either Graham FOLWEL (9752 9081) East , Craig McKENZIE (0417 561 246) East or Joe BORG (9743 7438) West suburbs who are our Club Permit Scheme officers for Victoria.
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Also members be informed that vicroads are slow to take payment from your credit card :toetapping:, I posted on Tuesday 2nd April and still has not processed ( it cost me a trip to all American day).
If challenged by the thin blue line or you have an accident I don't think the check is in the mail will cut it. :nopity:
Chopper
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I did hear that VicRoads had commissioned out the scheme to someone else to handle all the paperwork etc.
If it was me, i'd be walking into VicRoads myself and paying across the counter and making sure the book sticker is stamped with the payment date.
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Hi
Not sure if this is a substantiated rumor or only someones dream but i have heard from 2 independent persons( i.e not in the same circle of acquaintances)) that the powers that be were /are contemplating allowing custom plates on the club permit scheme.
Anyone else heard about this.
Feel free to move this if in wrong section..
rob
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Hi
Not sure if this is a substantiated rumor or only someones dream but i have heard from 2 independent persons( i.e not in the same circle of acquaintances)) that the powers that be were /are contemplating allowing custom plates on the club permit scheme.
Anyone else heard about this.
Feel free to move this if in wrong section..
rob
There are also rumors going around that the club scheme will go to personalised plates. I have not heard this from any offical area and it has not come from the AOMC. Going onto the scheme means that you display club permit plates that are easily identifiable by law enforcement and subject to log book rules etc.
Sorry to kill these rumors, but I can not see it happening to the scheme - which is not registration.
People would like to think that this will happen if they talk about it enough, but sorry to say it won't happen. Please remember it is not registration, but a permit that is controlled through club membership. The plates and log books are there so that it can be identified and controlled as required. How could this happen if you used unidentified personised plates?
Go back to the person/s you heard it from and find out where it started and you'll get your answer.
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thank you
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Just refreshing this thread and making sure that no one is having any problems with their Club Scheme issued plate renewals?
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Thanks for the reminder Macka, mine is actually due next week. Almost forgot, haven't had the car out for ages.
If anyone is considering club reg but is worried about the limited usage, it's actually quite hard to reach 90 days. I've only used around 55 days in a year.
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It seems that VicRoads has improved their production and sending renewals out now with plenty of notice for signing and paying throughout the year.
Make sure if you have a car on club scheme plates that your current club membership is also paid up and valid.
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I am expecting to get my car back from the paint shop late next week or early the week after and as soon as I get it back I will be working like mad to get it roadworthy and rego'ed by the end of the first week of October at the absolute latest.
I intend to have it on the CPS and I already have my membership number and lanyard. (Although I am yet to receive the card, I only have the temporary card at the moment.) I am confident I know what has to happen before I can start cruising and I've got a plan on how to get there..
My only question is;
What sort of lead times should I expect to have for the club inspection? A few days? A week? Two weeks?.. Longer?
I am about 40 minutes N/W of Melbourne and I really don't care how far I have to drive the car for a club inspection so that I can get it all sorted well in time for the roundup in October.
It's probably still about a month or so away from getting a RWC.. I just don't want to get it roadworthy and ready for a CPS officer's sign-off, only to find out nobody can do it for me because I had to get a booking organised a week or two in advance.
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JT, I am on the Eastern side of town as is Graham. I'll only need a day or so notice.
Joe BORG is on the Western side and should be able to help you out, try him first.
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JT, I am on the Eastern side of town as is Graham. I'll only need a day or so notice.
Joe BORG is on the Western side and should be able to help you out, try him first.
Ok, thanks, Macka! :thumb:
As I said, I just don't want to get it ready for the inspection only to find out I can't get the papers signed off before the unregistered vehicle permit expires because I didn't give enough notice.
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Quick question;
Are the CPS officers also the 'safety scrutinisers' who can write a statement of safety / who should I contact about organising a safety inspection?
Thanks :thumb:
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All you need is a RWC and a Club Permit Application Form (download from Vic Roads) and then present your car to a Club Permit member. They will inspect your car and sign your application form, you also sign a contract with the club. The RWC and they Club Permit Application Form are then taken to Vic Roads, they don't need to see the car, For a 90 day permit its $136 All up and they give you the plates and log book on the spot. The "statement of safety" is not used by MOCA Vic. The RWC serves this purpose. Some clubs issue a "statement of safety" for each car they check, this statement of safety is then presented to vic roads instead of a RWC. The statement of safety is not used by many clubs as it places all the responsibility for the safety and roadworthiness onto the club permit officer. With the RWC the responsibility lies with the Roadworthy tester
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Jt, alot of clubs in the scheme are now, as the Vic MOCA club does is require that a roadworthy is conducted by a licensed examiner. This takes any legal ramifications away from the club or someone from within a club who signs a vehicle off. This would come into play if the vehicle was for some reason come under the microscope by the law or the coroner as to why a standard wasn't met or a modification made which was not within the scope of the scheme.
There will be changes soon for the scheme where all cars going on the scheme after 1939 will require a RWC anyway and photos will also need to be taken and stored by the club recording the cars presently kept condition.
For production of the car, I am on the Eastern side of town as is Graham. I'll only need a day or so notice. Joe BORG is on the Western side and should be able to help you out, try him first.
Graham FOLWEL (9752 9081) East , Craig McKENZIE (0417 561 246) East or Joe BORG (9743 7438) West suburbs
Have a read of the full thread if you need more or give us a ring.
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Alot of clubs in the scheme are now, as the Vic MOCA club does is require that a roadworthy is conducted by a licensed examiner. This takes any legal ramifications away from the club or someone from within a club who signs a vehicle off. This would come into play if the vehicle was for some reason come under the microscope by the law or the coroner as to why a standard wasn't met or a modification made which was not within the scope of the scheme.
Ok, thanks.. :thumb:
That makes sense, I was just hoping to be able to save a bit of time by bypassing a roadworthy inspection and instead having the car inspected once, by someone within the club when the paperwork was signed off, rather than having to get a roadworthy check and then club inspection... Oh well! :nopity:
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We'll inspect the car and make sure whats being presented is true and correct for the paperwork being signed off, stamped and submitted.
It also saves you having to go to VicRoads which you would normally have to do for registration and that booking fee would be another $48.
Its an easy process and one that doesn't take very long at all.
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Q25. I attend various car shows and displays on behalf of my employer. My vehicle is on the CPS and is displayed with advertising at the Trade Stall of my employer. Is this permitted?
A. The “no commercial use” requirement refers to carrying loads or passengers for commercial gain. VicRoads policy does not prohibit vehicles being painted and operated, or used as static advertisement, to promote a business. (Revised 1.2.2011)
Q26. I have purchased an unregistered 26 year old LHD vehicle from overseas. What paperwork is needed to put my vehicle on the Club Permit Scheme?
A. See answer 23 above. Also, if there is no evidence of the vehicle previously being registered in Australia, then you may be required to supply an Engineer's Report attesting that it meets the relevant Australian standards. The vehicle may need to be presented for inspection at VicRoads.
Q27. Our club has signed an agreement with VicRoads to operate under the scheme. It requires the club to advise VicRoads of unfinancial members. Does this mean all unfinancial members or only those with CPS vehicles?
A. Only those unfinancial members with CPS vehicles managed by your club.
Q28. Under our present Club constitution unfinancial members do not cease to be members until after 3 months from the end of the club's financial year. When must we advise VicRoads?
A. In the above mentioned example at the end of the financial year plus 3 months. However as some clubs may have differing rules in relation to membership, VicRoads needs to be notified when the club concerned considers the permit holder to no longer be a club member. (Revised 1.2.2011)
Q29. I used to operate a transport business. I have since retired and the company has been wound up. I have retained some of my early trucks which are still sign written with my company name. Can I keep the signage on the vehicles if they are on the CPS?
A. Yes, see Answer 25 above. (Revised 1.2.2011)
Q30. Are annual roadworthiness inspections of CPS vehicles required?
A. No, VicRoads do not require annual roadworthy inspections. Clubs may carry out annual inspections as a condition of membership.
Q31. Who is to be responsible in our club for managing our club permit vehicles?
A. In the first instance, your club Committee is responsible. It is recommended that the committee appoint a "Registrar" or "Permit Officer" who shall be authorised to sign off new club permit applications and renewals confirming the applicant is a financial member of the club. He/she shall also keep records of those vehicles on the CPS in the club that can be audited, if so requested by VicRoads. The signature(s) of those club official(s) authorised to sign off on a club permit must be registered with VicRoads.
Q32. Why must our Club Permit Officer sight the Roadworthy Certificate (RWC) or club Attestation of Safety for a new application for a club permit?
A. This is intended to preclude the possibility of an applicant submitting a false Attestation of Safety to VicRoads (where a vehicle might not otherwise pass a RWC).
Q33. Must my trailer be fully registered when towed by a CPS vehicle?
A. Reference to a VicRoads leaflet on trailers states:
The Road Safety Act requires most trailers to be registered to be allowed on public roads. Exceptions to this are: small trailers which are not boat trailers and are not used for commercial purposes, and which weigh less than 200 kg unloaded, are less than 3.0 m overall length (including any load) and are narrower than the towing vehicle. All trailers must have a number plate on the back. Trailers not registered with their own plate must use the number of the towing vehicle. (New 2.2.11)
Q34. Only a single number plate is normally issued for Veteran and Vintage vehicles; where should it be placed?
A. The location of a single CPS plate is not defined by VicRoads but the AOMC recommends that it be attached to the rear of the vehicle. This is consistent with the use of a Trade Plate.
Q35. I plan to purchase a vehicle (which is on full registration at present) and put it onto the CPS. Can I transfer the ownership from the previous owner direct to the CPS and avoid paying Stamp Duty?
A. Yes. You can transfer direct to CPS without incurring Stamp Duty (CPS vehicles are not required to pay Stamp Duty) providing the vehicle meets the CPS requirements (age, new owner is a member of a Vic roads Authorised Club) and a Roadworthy Certificate, sighted by the Club registrar, (or Club approval letter) is submitted with the application. Note that the first owner should cancel the registration (and claim any credits) and the second owner will then place the unregistered vehicle on the CPS.
Q36. How should the logbook be filled in when I drive the CPS vehicle in the morning to an event and my partner drives it home later?
A. Only the first signature is needed for the day. Subsequent drivers (eg. repair shop) are not required to fill in an entry. If travel extends into the next day (past midnight) a new day entry is required. (Updated 22.10.12)
Q37. Can a financial member of a CPS club transfer their CPS vehicle to another CPS club if required?
A. Yes. Normally this could be done at renewal time by deleting the club noted on the renewal form and inserting the proposed club and having the "new" club authorize the renewal before payment at VicRoads. In the event of a change being required at another time, the owner should approach the proposed club (of which they are already a member) to request the change. A letter to VicRoads from the "new" club's CPS Officer / Secretary detailing the change, with supporting information, should allow the member to obtain a revised CPS logbook insert to be fixed to the inside front cover from VicRoads. As this is an administrative change only and the vehicle is already in the CPS with the same owner there should not be a requirement for a club inspection or Roadworthy Certificate. The "old" club would need to advise VicRoads of the deletion of the CPS vehicle from "old" club listing.
Q38. I plan to put my Dual fuel (petrol/LPG) vehicle on the CPS. The LPG system is an aftermarket installation. Is this possible and what are the requirements?
A. Yes. The Roadworthy Inspection requirements, required by the majority of vehicle clubs for entry into the CPS, cover LPG installations (sections F, J & K of VicRoads VIS Bulletin 26) and, in turn, cover this situation. (Added 1.12.2011)
Q39. I am repainting my truck prior to putting it on the CPS. Do I need to have the Tare & Gross ratings stated on the vehicle?
A. No. The requirement to have vehicle mass ratings shown on the vehicle was deleted from the regulations some time ago. (The vehicle certification plate, if applicable, shows vehicle ratings) (Added 1.12.2011)
Q40. A club member has put his vehicle back on full registration after being on the CPS. What should happen to the Club Permit number plates, do they have to be returned to VicRoads?
A. Return of number plates to VicRoads is not mandatory but is recommended to prevent future incorrect or illegal use. This should be by the holder of plates. It should be noted that CPS plates are not assigned to an individual or club, they remain the property of VicRoads. Note that Refunds are not available for club permits if the period for which the permit was obtained has commenced. (Added 1.12.2011, revised 26.1.12)
Q41. What arrangements are in place to allow cross border membership?
e.g. A member of a Victorian CPS club is resident in New South Wales and wishes to have entry to the NSW Conditional Registration Scheme for an eligible vehicle garaged in NSW.
A. The Victorian club/branch should apply to the NSW Road Traffic Authority (now titled Roads and Maritime Services) for entry onto the NSW Historic Conditional Registration Scheme. This requires supply of the (Association’s) Incorporation Number, Club constitution and other items to RTA to attain authorisation. Clubs should be aware of the differences in eligible vehicle age and use between Victorian & NSW.
Similarly, VicRoads require that interstate clubs be authorised by them to allow Victorian members of NSW clubs with eligible vehicles garaged in Victoria to operate under the Victorian CPS. (Added 26.1.12)
Q42. Which VicRoads offices have CPS plates available on site?
A. Vic roads advise the following offices keep plates in stock. Other offices will have to submit applications and have plates posted. Bendigo, Broadmeadows, Bundoora, Burwood, Carlton, Frankston, Geelong, Mildura, Morwell, Sunshine, Warrnambool, Wodonga. (Added 27.1.12)
If you have read the Q&A information above and you think it might be for you and you still have any further questions regarding our Club Permit Scheme you should contact either;
Graham FOLWEL (9752 9081) East , Craig McKENZIE (0417 561 246 ) East or
Joe BORG (9743 7438) West suburbs who are our Club Permit Scheme officers.
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Thanks to Joe B. for reminding me the AOMC has updated its Q&A Club Scheme info. Its now on the MOCA Vic site and hopefully may help club members out.
First of all, welcome to a great club with like minded people who love their Mustangs. Being a club member, you will be entitled to obtain Victorian Logbook Club Permit Scheme plates for your car if it is 25 years or older. The club will only take on new cars to the scheme if you own a Mustang. Hopefully, this information package should assist you in working out whether the scheme is for you and the procedures required by you.
At first instance, whether your car is unregistered or currently registered then you will need to obtain a roadworthy certificate which is good for 30 days from the date of issue. You will then need to contact one of the scheme officers to book the scheme inspection date and time. If you are not yet a member, your membership will need to be tabled for 30 days before you have any club rights, so don't rush in with your RWC or it may expire before you are able to apply for the scheme.
At the inspection we will then check the vehicle, VIN and engine numbers, stamp your completed VicRoads scheme application form (available on VicRoads website) and complete the contract between yourself and the club regarding the use of the permit which will include that you keep the car in a roadworthy condition and that you attend at least four functions throughout the year. We will need to see you current club lanyard as you need to be a financial member. If the vehicle has not been registered before then we will need to sight your Import (DOTARS) approval or sight previous registration records. The use of the vehicle and log book will be explained to you. If your vehicle is modified have a read of Vic Roads, Vehicle Standard Information sheet No. 8 (VSI 8) to make sure your car does not exceed those standards or an engineers report will be required prior to authorisation to go on the scheme.
After inspection, your paperwork can then be taken to VicRoads for the issue of Club Permit Scheme log book, stickers, and 2 plates. You will not need to take the car to VicRoads and there is no stamp duty to be paid. You do not need to make an appointment for registration, which is another saving of $48.00.
The plates issued to you from VicRoads are the plates in which you must attach to the front and rear of the car. Sticker or manufactured plates are not allowed. You will need to contact your inspection officer with plate numbers after they have been issued to your vehicle so that our database can be updated and your contract can be supplied to you. Your log book will be issued to you with a label for the windscreen and a registration certificate to be attached inside your log book. The cost for 90 days use for one year including log book and plates is about $132. 45 days is also offered.
Each year you will need to renew your permit with a co-ordinator's approval but you will not be required to attend an inspection or RWC for this. Annual inspections will be conducted at club events such as runs and shows etc throughout the year. You need to hold a current club membership for the club scheme plates to be valid so annual subscriptions will need to be paid up before the end of June each year.
It is a simple process and many members have found the reward in costs and flexibility that the system provides. Given the significant benefits and modest fees, users of the scheme must consider it a privilege rather than a right. So please, don’t abuse it.
Remember to inform your insurer that you are on the scheme and a Mustang Owners Club of Aust. Member. The insurance should be cheaper than normal. Shannons is our recommended insurer.
Frequently Asked Questions on the Victorian Logbook Club Permit Scheme
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The following questions and answers have been prepared by the AOMC Executive from issues and questions raised in general forum with Victoria Police and VicRoads over a long period..
The Title of " Victorian Logbook Club Permit Scheme" refers to a series of changes introduced by VicRoads to take effect on 1 February 2011. The regulations: Road Safety (Vehicles) Amendment (Club Permit) Regulations 2010 under which the Scheme operates, may be downloaded from the AOMC web site in text form. Refer also to the instructions provided with your logbook.
The Victorian Logbook Club Permit Scheme is administered by VicRoads under the VicRoads Business Rules. Victoria Police ensures compliance with the scheme.
Some issues of the Scheme may not be specifically addressed in the Regulations and VicRoads Business Rules and so may be open to the subjective interpretation and consequently fall within a "grey area".
As a consequence, where the interpretation is unclear, the AOMC recommends that the permit holder take a conservative position !!
Given the significant benefits and modest fees, users of the scheme must consider it a privilege rather than a right. Abuse of the scheme could result in far reaching implications to the individual, their club and the Permit Scheme in general, such as:
Fines for driving an unregistered vehicle, or
Loss of your individual Club Permit, or
Loss of your club's authority to operate the Club Permit Scheme, or
Cancellation of the Club Permit Scheme for all enthusiasts.
Because of the above implications, the club requires you to undergo a contract before your club scheme will be issued to your vehicle. You will be required to attend at least four events throughout the year.
The introduction of the logbook scheme also places conditions on Clubs and individual club members to ensure the intent of the scheme. To this end, Authorised Clubs have been required to enter into an agreement with VicRoads. In general, the Logbook Club Permit Scheme applies to vehicles 25 years and older with a rolling 25 year cut off.
In summary, the Logbook CPS requires that :
- The holder is a financial member of a club,
- The vehicle is safe and roadworthy,
- The vehicle is not used for commercial purposes
- A logbook entry is made if the vehicle moves more than 100 metres from the vehicle's garage address.
Note a "day" in a logbook entry is from 12 midnight to 12 midnight.
Q1. May I use my Club Permit Vehicle for a family wedding?
A. Yes, the logbook requires an entry. Note that a CPS vehicle cannot be used for hire or reward hence a regular business in wedding transport is not permitted.
Q2. Can I tow a trailer with a Club Permit Vehicle?
A.1 Passenger car or derivative (see also Q.33):
Yes, subject to normal rules for the registration and towing of trailers eg. weight, coupling, lighting, speed limits etc. If a towed trailer obscures the number plate of the towing vehicle there is a requirement that the registration number of the towing vehicle is displayed by painting or otherwise on the rear of the towed vehicle. Trailer owners are also able to order a “Trailer Exempt” plate from VicRoads. (Revised 1.2.11)
A2. Commercial vehicle (truck) , see Q3 below:
Q3. Can a (semi) trailer be placed on the CPS?
A. Yes. A heavy trailer (semi trailer, dog trailer etc) can be listed as a CPS vehicle in its own right providing it meets the 25 year rule and roadworthy requirements. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q4. Can a learner driver operate a Club Permit Vehicle?
A. Yes, subject to the normal rules for learner drivers.
Q5. Why have I not received a renewal notice for my Club Permit vehicle?
A. It is the permit holder's responsibility to ensure a permit is renewed. The Club Permit Scheme is stored on a separate computer system to the general VicRoads data files and hence if you should change your address for a fully registered vehicle, or a Driver's Licence, then a separate advice is still required for a Club Permit vehicle.
Q6. Can a modified vehicle be used under the Club Permit scheme?
A. Yes, provided the vehicle is in a safe condition. In some cases an Engineer's Certificate might be required. Note that the CPS must not be considered a method of driving an unsafe or unroadworthy vehicle.
Q7. Under what conditions may I test my Club Permit Vehicle?
A. It is the owner/driver's responsibility to maintain the vehicle in a safe condition. A logbook entry is required for any testing or "exercising" of the vehicle, where the vehicle is operated more than 100m from the listed garaged address. (Revised 1.2.2011)
Q8. May my mechanic (repair garage) test drive my vehicle?
A. Yes. A logbook entry by the driver will be required for any testing of the vehicle. See also Q8.
Q9. May I drive my Club Permit Vehicle interstate.
A. Yes. But note that at this stage Western Australia may still require a separate WA permit for travel in that state ? (The status of new Logbook CPS in WA is yet to be clarified)
Q10. Our club has a display day at a Swap Meet. May I carry a load of spare parts in my Club Permit Vehicle to sell at the Swap Meet?
A. No. Club Permit Vehicles must not be used for carrying goods for hire or for personal or business gain.
Q11. My CH number plate has been damaged. How can I replace it?
A. Duplicate number plates can be ordered either by contacting VicRoads Telephone Information Service on 131171 or by presenting the damaged plate, and evidence of identity at a VicRoads’ Customer Service Centre. A fee will apply for the replacement plate(s). (Revised 1.2.11)
Q12. Can I have two garage addresses listed for my CH plated vehicle?
A. Legislation and VicRoads rules stipulate only one address however you may have the vehicle garage address different from your residential address (and for service of notices).
Q13. I want to put my bike rack on my CH vehicle, can I get another small bike plate for the rack?
A. Bike rack number plates are available for club permit vehicles.
Q14. Can a Club get a list of owners of CH vehicles in their club from VicRoads?
A. A statement has recently been added to club permit applications and renewals, authorising VicRoads to provide information to the clubs about vehicles linked to their clubs through the club permit scheme. (However, VicRoads will not be in a position to provide that information to the clubs until all permit holders have signed the authorisation over the next 12 months.) (Revised 1.2.2011)
Q15. What are the limits to modifications permitted to CH vehicles?
A. Vehicle Standards Information publication (VSI 8), available from the VicRoads book shop, provides guidance. Heavily modified vehicles may need an Engineer's Certificate.
Q16. Can I sell my vehicle with CH plate and can the CH plate be transferred to the new owner?
A. Yes provided the new owner is a member of the same club and the plates will be re-issued for the same vehicle. The vehicle will need to be re-permitted to the new owner by submitting a new application, safety inspection or Certificate of Roadworthiness and the appropriate fees. (Revised 1.2.2011)
Q17. Does the driver of the CH plated vehicle need to be the permit holder?
A. No.
Q18. Can L plate or P plate drivers operate a RHD CH plated vehicle?
A. Yes, but note that the vehicle insurers may impose restrictions on drivers of vehicles less than 30 years old.
Q19. Can L plate or P plate drivers operate a LHD CH plated vehicle?
A. Yes, but as the driver's visibility may be restricted, caution should be exercised. Note that the vehicle insurers may impose restrictions on drivers of vehicles less than 30 years old. (Revised 1.2.2011 and 21.10.2011)
Q20. I belong to two clubs authorised to operate the Club Permit Scheme. My CH plated vehicle is recorded by one club. Can I have another 90 day Logbook issued through my other club?
A. No, only one Logbook per vehicle! A member of more than one club may have various vehicles listed with certain clubs but dual listing of a vehicle is not permitted.
Q21. Our club is authorised to operate the Club Permit Scheme. We have original vehicles over 25 years old on the scheme. We also have members with replicas of these vehicles that were made only 5 years ago. Can these replicas operate under the CPS?
A. Yes, provided the replica is of a vehicle originally manufactured at least 25 years ago.
Q22. Can I park my CH plated vehicle in the street on any day when it is not used?
A. Yes, but this would require an entry in the logbook. You may temporarily "shuffle" CPS vehicles in and out of your property up to a distance of 100m without need for a Logbook entry. Note that if you were to leave your vehicle parked in the street more than 100m from its garaged address for a number of days then this would require a logbook entry for each day! (Revised 1.2.11)
Q23. I purchased my vehicle unregistered and in pieces. What paperwork is needed to put my vehicle on the Club Permit Scheme?
A. Firstly, refer to the Club Permit Scheme handbook for the general requirements of the CPS.
You must have:
- the CPS Application Form completed and endorsed by the duly authorised officer of your club confirming that you are a current member.
- personal ID and evidence and that you own the vehicle.
- a current Roadworthiness Certificate or Club Statement of Safety.
You should also have:
- proof that the vehicle was previously registered or club permitted in Victoria eg. registration certificate or CP. If the vehicle has not been registered or permitted in Australia, and the vehicle was imported after 1989, then Import Approval and Customs Import documents identifying the vehicle need to be produced.
If you cannot supply the previous registration details but are certain that the vehicle was registered in Australia then it is recommended you provide a formal Statutory Declaration attesting to the information (including registration, engine and chassis numbers where possible). The results of an Engine Number search of the AOMC Engine Number Records for Victoria might be useful.
Generally, as with other VicRoads permits, there should be no need to present the vehicle for inspection at the time of applying for the Club Permit but in the event of dispute you should be able to have the vehicle available for either a VicRoads or VASS inspection. (Revised 1.2.11)
Q24. I have a bus on the CPS. May I use it to carry passengers?
A. Commercial vehicles (including trucks & buses) are not permitted to carry goods for hire or reward. It is permissible to carry club member vehicles to events free of charge. Note that if a bus (including a CPS vehicle) carries 12 or more passengers plus driver it comes under Bus Regulations which require annual inspections by authorised inspectors. The owner of the vehicle may also have insurance responsibilities as part of "The Duty of Care"
It should also be noted that some heavy vehicles are subject to heavy vehicle fatigue laws, regardless of whether they are carrying a load or passengers for hire or reward. The operator of a heavy vehicle that is defined as “fatigue regulated heavy vehicle” is required to complete a “work diary” as well as the club permit log book when the vehicle is in use.
(1) A heavy vehicle is a fatigue regulated heavy vehicle if it is any of the following—
(a) a motor vehicle with a GVM of more than 12 tonnes; or
(b) a combination with a GVM of more than 12 tonnes; or
(c) a bus.
(2) However, a heavy vehicle is not a fatigue regulated heavy vehicle if it is any of the following—
(a) a tram; or
(b) a motor vehicle that—
(i) is built, or has been modified, primarily to operate as a machine or implement off-road, on a road-related area, or on an area of road that is under construction; and
(ii) is not capable of carrying goods or passengers by road; or
(c) a motor home.. (Revised 1.2.2011)
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Hi, is there a PO Box address for the club that we should all be using when sending our club permit renewals? I've just been sending them to Graham's home address but I assume that's probably not the "official" address we should all be using.
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Thanks.
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Good Morning Ossie,
It is my understanding that you'll need to contact one of the club permits at a club event or meeting to have the document signed.
regards
Herman
PS please refer to the below for the club mailing address:
M.O.C.A. Vic Inc.
PO Box 4289
Melbourne VIC 3001
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Thanks Herman, you may have misunderstood what I was asking as I am just renewing an existing permit not applying for a new one. In the past I have just forwarded the renewal in the mail to Graeme's home address with the payment details and self addressed envelope for VicRoads, but I just wondered if it should instead be sent to a PO Box that Graeme or Macka share? If there isn't such a thing then I'll just keeping forwarding to Graeme.
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Ozzie, nah Herman was pretty good with his explanation.
The club doesn't have a "one all renewal address" due to the fact we share the burden of renewals between 4 of us and also like to see as agreed in your contract, that members are getting out to runs and events where we get to do renewals.
Imagine if we never saw anyone and only saw renewals in the mail.
The system seems to work pretty well and keeps members in touch with club permit officers for advice and explanations of scheme requirements when required.
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Thanks Macka, yes that's fine. I can understand why it should be that way, just wasn't clear on the process.
Cheers.
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Just had one of my club permit renewals come in , it was for a 90 day permit for my Suzuki RE5 rotary bike ,last year i used it 15 times , so today i took the renewal notice into Vic Roads and had it changed to a 45 day permit now only costing me $69.30 woo==hoo doesnt get anymore economical than that ???? :evilone:
Last year i think i only logged the stang out 32 days so may even change that to 45 next year
i think if you get to 45 days all you need to do is go back to vicroads and pay for another 45 day permit
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Pete, that sounds very economical for a run around rotary.. :thumb:
You be at the next meeting?
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looks like i will be macka need you to sign of my permit , what s the cash up for grabs??????
unless your coming down tomorrow nite to Mornington
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Lets see what the weather is doing first...
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I've been asked a few times about the new rules for registration labels in Victoria.
As from January this year, registration labels for light vehicles will no longer be supplied or required to be fitted. It's estimated that VicRoads will save about $600,000.00 a year from now on.
What does it mean to you? You'll have to make sure your registration is always renewed and when you drive someone else's car that you know it is currently registered or check it by entering the registration plate details online at vre.vicroads.vic.gov.au or by calling VicRoads on 13 1171.
The club scheme is not registration, it is a permit issued to you through being a member of a recognised club and that means that you must display the label that is supplied with your renewal papers.
Further information about the discontinuation is available at http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/RenewCancelOrUpdateRegistration/DiscontinuationOfRegistrationLabels.htm (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/RenewCancelOrUpdateRegistration/DiscontinuationOfRegistrationLabels.htm)
Don't forget to put it on..
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Just bringing this up again as a reminder..
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Macka,
I've just purchased a 1970 428SCJ which I'm hoping to place on a club permit via MOCA (of which I'm a current financial member). My other mustangs are on full rego so this is the first time I'm looking at club permit given it's a great scheme and doesn't have the associated costs of stamp duty, full rego and a VASS Certificate that full rego comes with...
A couple of questions;
1. Noticed you may be attending the AOMC show on Sunday. Is that an appropriate place for an inspection to take place?
2. I know the person I purchased the 70 from and he hasn't cancelled the existing club permit (Macedon Ranges Car Club) just to enable me to get to Roadworthy last Friday (Albeit I still purchased a Unregisterd Vehicle Permit anyhow just to be safe) so I could, as I understand, drive to AOMC although obviously I wouldn't want this to annoy you or anyone involved in overseeing this scheme. If this wasn't OK I could hire a trailer I guess.
Thanks & cheers
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7TB, if I wasn't judging on the day I would say yes, but I'll be pretty busy and probably wouldn't get the time for the inspection. Give me a ring before the weekend and we can organise something. The Macedon Ranges Permit won't be valid if the car has changed hands out of the club and they will no doubt want their plates back through the original owner. Be quick and you'll get there on your new plates.
Mac
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Victorian members will soon be receiving a letter from VicRoads regarding the scheme and the expected changes. Modified vehicles will be going onto a "M" plate.
For what's still allowed on the H plates, I will post the documents and the references in here soon.
Graham will talk about what's changed at the next meeting. Try and be there.
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OK, what questions are there about the Victorian Club Scheme?
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The coppers down this way have pulled over plenty of club permit vehicles lately, from what I have heard there has been no dramas, everyone doing the right thing.
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When do you think we'll be receiving the letters you've been talking about as I haven't received one.
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WE are talking about VicRoads here. It was meant to be in by September, but who knows now. They are draggin' their feet a bit.
I was in there the other day and asked one of the guys on the counter and he wasn't even aware that the new plates for modified cars are coming.
:kickass:
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I have just got my new logbook and CPS renewal in the mail, the last permit doesn't expire until late September.
Just to be clear I have to take the renewal form back to the CPS officer (Joe) to have it signed off and then to VicRoads to be paid before the old one expires, correct?
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I have been reading the latest posts and now after noticing one of them and if I read it correctly a person could buy an early mustang then obtain club rego without paying stamp duty on the transfer to VicRoads.
Is this correct? Or did I interpret incorrectly.
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That is correct. No stamp duty payable for a Vic club permit.
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JT, yes.. you'll need one of us to sign it and take it for payment at VicRoads. Once the current permit expires, you won't be able to drive under the new permit until its paid for.
6t9, that's correct..no stamp duty payable.
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Sorry to touch on your answers again but no transfer fees as well?
i.e in Victoria we have to pay a $36.40 transfer fee + $8.40 Vehicle duty fee for every $200 of the market value.
So under full registration for a 30K mustang it would cost $1296.40 but under the club permit scheme it is $0
Thanks Macka & MachAttack
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Just your annual permit fee mate. $140 for 90 days, cheaper for 45. Your insurance will be cheaper also.
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That's it... the whole system is designed to get you a member of a club and let them do all the work to keep the prices down.
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I have a question, when you guys say stamp duty, are you by any chanc referring to if...
I buy a shtang for lets say $60k....
that when I or if I club rego it, I don't pay stamp duty on the 60K ?
if so, what happened if I wanna change from club rego to full rego one day?
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I have a question, when you guys say stamp duty, are you by any chanc referring to if...
I buy a shtang for lets say $60k....
that when I or if I club rego it, I don't pay stamp duty on the 60K ?
if so, what happened if I wanna change from club rego to full rego one day?
That is correct; You will not pay stamp duty on that 60k for club rego.
You would have to pay it the day you went from the CPS to full rego, as part of the usual fees.. Until then, no extra tax!
#1 reason I went with club rego over full rego, even though I know I would get my money's worth, and believe me, I would make sure that I did, as a uni student I could not afford the extra $1.5-2k stamp duty, on top of the actual rego fees, which would have been around $500.
All up I probably saved around $1800, the insurance would have been cheaper than it was as well, but I had the car repainted and re-valued, so it stayed the same.
I worked out how much I have spent on fuel (only roughly) since obtaining my permit last year.. I could probably afford the stamp duty..... If I stopped driving it! :lmao:
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JT, thanks fr that bro, I was always under the assumption when people said no stamp duty , it was just on the annual rego..
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LittleJOhn, no as JT has said there is no stamp duty because it is a permit, not registration.
Have a read of the information sheet on the Vic MOCA website. http://vic.mustang.org.au/more/club-permit-scheme.html (http://vic.mustang.org.au/more/club-permit-scheme.html)
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OK, we have posted on our website a link to what the AOMC knows about the proposed changes to the Victorian Club Permit Scheme. This is what the AOMC has been told by VicRoads as to what is changing.
The AOMC has submitted a report to change some necessary areas and VicRoads are still yet to make up their minds.
Here's what we know. http://www.aomc.asn.au/CPS%20changes%20Seminar%202014.pdf (http://www.aomc.asn.au/CPS%20changes%20Seminar%202014.pdf)
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Changes to the club permit scheme are being implemented shortly.
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/limited-use-permits/club-permit-scheme/changes-to-the-club-permit-scheme-from-31-january-2015 (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/limited-use-permits/club-permit-scheme/changes-to-the-club-permit-scheme-from-31-january-2015)
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Changes to the club permit scheme commencing 31 January 2015
The club permit scheme (CPS) is a log book based permit scheme that allows motoring enthusiasts to enjoy limited road use of historic vehicles which comply with relevant standards.
Based on consultation with vehicle clubs, peak bodies and the Victoria Police, VicRoads is introducing changes to Victoria’s Club Permit Scheme, commencing 31 January 2015 with the objectives of:
•Ensuring the Club Permit Scheme continues to align with road safety objectives
•Introducing clearer and more appropriate vehicle modification guidelines for Club Permit Scheme vehicles
•Improving inspection, modification and identification requirements for modified vehicles
•Ensuring the integrity of the scheme is maintained
•Continuing to make participation in the Club Permit Scheme an enjoyable experience for all users.
New requirements commencing 31 January 2015:
•When signing new club permit applications, club safety officers/scrutineers will be required to complete a Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration form declaring that the vehicle is eligible, safe for use on the road and that it meets the applicable requirements for the category of vehicle for which the club permit is sought.
•Initial club permit applications (not renewals) for vehicles manufactured after 31 December 1948 will need to be accompanied by a current certificate of roadworthiness.
•For pre-1949 vehicles, clubs will continue to conduct their own safety inspection (which may be a certificate of roadworthiness or a club safety inspection based on VicRoads’ guidelines).
•New modification guidelines specified in the Guidelines for modifications to vehicles operated under Victoria’s Club Permit – Vehicle Standards Information No. 33 (VSI33) [PDF 296 kb] apply.
•If an initial club permit application is submitted for a vehicle that is modified outside of the appropriate modification guidelines, a Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme (VASS) approval certificate covering the modifications must be provided with the permit application.
•An “M” club permit plate will be issued to identify modified vehicles where a VASS certificate has been provided.
•Clubs are required to maintain dated photographs of vehicles entering the club permit scheme in accordance with the new Club Permit Agreement.
Existing and ongoing requirements to be noted
There are two important existing, ongoing requirements that permit applicants and club safety officers/scrutineers need to be aware of: •Motor vehicles manufactured outside of Australia after 31 December 1968 (30 June 1975 in the case of motorcycles) which do not have a previous Australian registration history, must have a VASS approval certificate to demonstrate that the vehicle meets the Australian Design Rules that applied at the time the vehicle was manufactured.
•Club permit vehicles must comply with the Vehicle Standards, appropriate to the date the vehicle was manufactured, contained in Schedule 2 of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2009.
All vehicle standards and modification guidelines are available through VicRoads’ website at Vehicle standards information.
New club permit agreement
In support of these changes, a new Club Permit Agreement has been developed. The new Agreement, which supersedes current club Agreements, must be signed and returned to VicRoads by 30 March 2015.
In addition clubs are to provide VicRoads with a current list of office bearers and safety officers/scrutineers together with sample signatures and driver licence numbers. This information is to be included on the Approved Club Office Bearers and Scrutineers form accompanying the Agreement, and must be completed whenever office bearers and scrutineers change within a club.
The agreement and form must be provided to VicRoads by 30 March 2015. VicRoads will revoke the approval of clubs for the purposes of the club permit scheme if the new Agreement and form is not signed and returned to VicRoads by this date.
The new club permit agreement has been sent to all VicRoads clubs and approved associations and will be available on the VicRoads website on 13 January 2015.
Revised Club Permit Application form
VicRoads has revised the Club Permit Application form to be signed by the club authorised office bearer certifying that the applicant is a current financial member of the club to reflect the new requirements.
All permit applications submitted on or after 31 January 2015 must use the revised application form.
The new permit application will be on the VicRoads website by 19 January 2015.
Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration form
Commencing 31 January 2015, the revised Club Permit Application form must also be accompanied by a Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form declaring that the vehicle is eligible, safe for use on the road and meets the requirements of the scheme. This form must be signed by a nominated safety officer/scrutineer.
Club permit applications will not be accepted unless a completed Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form is provided.
You may view a sample of the Vehicle eligibility and Standards declaration form [PDF 553 kb].
Download the Vehicle eligibility and Standards declaration [PDF 74kb] to find out more information on the vehicle eligibility and standards.
The Vehicle eligibility and Standards declaration form will be available on the VicRoads website by 19 January 2015.
Vehicle safety inspection checklist
To assist clubs with inspecting vehicles and determining whether they are safe for use on the road, VicRoads has developed a Guideline Vehicle Safety Inspection Checklist. Please note that this checklist is for guidance only and should be used at the club’s discretion; it does not replace the requirement for the Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form or any requirement for a Certificate of Roadworthiness.
The Vehicle safety inspection checklist will be available on the VicRoads website by 19 January 2015.
Existing club permit vehicles that may not meet vehicle standards
While VicRoads will not actively identify existing modified vehicles for re-certification, periodically vehicles are reported to VicRoads as unroadworthy and/or inappropriately modified and VicRoads is required take action when this occurs. In such instances, VicRoads will write to the permit holder advising them to request that their club re-assess the vehicle in accordance with the new requirements.
Clubs may also choose to re-certify existing modified vehicles and seek that the vehicle be issued an “M” modified club permit plate.
Club permit renewals after permit expiry
To bring club permit renewals into line with registration renewals, from 31 January 2015, permit renewal applications received by VicRoads more than three months (90 days) after the expiry of the previous club permit will not be accepted and a new permit application will need to be produced.
Information about inspection of club permit vehicles for Licensed Vehicle Testers (LVTs) and Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme (VASS) signatories
VicRoads has written to LVTs and VASS signatories providing advice about inspection arrangements appropriate for older vehicles.
Help with the new requirements
The club permit scheme is an important component of the vehicle registration system and input from clubs and representatives of the club permit movement into potential enhancements to the scheme will ensure it meets the needs of clubs and road safety imperatives.
Should you have a query regarding the new requirements, please contact VicRoads through CPSconsult@roads.vic.gov.au.
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This one, no one knew anything about:
•Motor vehicles manufactured outside of Australia after 31 December 1968 (30 June 1975 in the case of motorcycles) which do not have a previous Australian registration history, must have a VASS approval certificate to demonstrate that the vehicle meets the Australian Design Rules that applied at the time the vehicle was manufactured.
So it will mean that cars already here in Australia that have a registration history will be worth more than one that has no history because a VASS certificate will be required no matter what to get it on the CPS.
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Yep that's right Macka.
I only just bought a 66 a few weeks ago so was lucky in that regard, although the car was previously registered here on club reg.
Whats also important to note is this point:
Initial club permit applications (not renewals) for vehicles manufactured after 31 December 1948 will need to be accompanied by a current certificate of roadworthiness.
So in essence it sounds like cars that are already registered under the CPS are not subject to these changes. Am I reading it correctly?
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Nah, they just needed a cut off date for vehicles that weren't really covered by the more recent RWC type testing. A more specialised approach was needed and those clubs of early vehicles can issue safety certificates for those types of vehicles, which makes more sense. Vehicles 1949 & onwards will all need RWC's for new CPS plates. Our club has always asked for RWC's anyway which the AOMC loved and recommended to VicRoads which seems now it has been taken on.
Its good because there were too many death traps out there floating around that someone has said they were safe and may have never of been looked at. Those type of clubs are being looked at now by VicRoads and culled as required.
If your car is on the scheme and not modified beyond VSI8 then you do not need to do anything. If you are wanting to put it on CPS with our club then it will need a RWC anyway.
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Why does the Mustang Club Of Vic require a RWC, and not just a scruteneering?
up until January 31 2015, you only need either / or ,for the CPS.
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LJ, yes that's right. With all the problems created by clubs signing off on their own cars has created the problem and forced VicRoads to change the system. Had these clubs, done the right thing then the system wouldn't have needed to be changed. Lucky for us, the MOCA Vic have always required a RWC to meet legal obligations and signing off on them. This takes any legal ramifications away from the club for any future legal actions.
This would come into play if the vehicle was for some reason to come under the microscope by the law or the coroner as to why a standard wasn't met or a modification made which was not within the scope of the scheme. Because of the club's profile we must been seen to meet or exceed the legal requirements and policy in relation to making our cars safe.
A lot of clubs are now being investigated by VicRoads and how they have been issuing CPS to unroadworthy cars, some have lost their power to and been shut down. The Association of Motoring Clubs have looked at our systems and we have been commended on our approach to the CPS.
VicRoads must think we are doing it correctly as well, to bring their legislation in line with our club policy. It is a good system and it should not be abused.
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Ahhh now i get it, thanks Macka
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I'm just bringing this back up so that members get a chance to have a read of the changes listed on the 11th of January post which will come into operation before the end of the month. VicRoads will also be sending out info to each members address. What you will need to work out if your vehicle is modified outside of VSI8. This will include RHD vehicles. Make sure you have a read of it and understand it.
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I have a car on the cps, with another club.
im not happy with the other club and do not wish to associate with them.
Do i need to obtain another rwc to change clubs on my cps?
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Rob,
Yes , the club has always required a RWC, even when you transfer from another club. We do have processes in place which make the transfer pretty easy to do.
Have a read of the info in here on our CPS and the coming changes at the end of this month. http://vic.mustang.org.au/more/club-permit-scheme.html (http://vic.mustang.org.au/more/club-permit-scheme.html) . The club is full of experience, social and like minded Mustang lovers. Send me a PM if you need more info.
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Hey Macka, do you think that there will ever
Be a time in our lifetime where we can use our Personalised Plates
And have "Club Permit" on the bottom of em??
Mannnn that would be friggin gold :thumb:
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NUP.
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New changes to the CPS will be implemented in a few days so a RWC will be mandatory for a registration of any vehicle on the CPS.
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LJ, the reason is:
that the permits are not registration, so other personalised registration plates will never be used. The Authority, wants both its officers and the police to be able to recognise the CPS vehicles so that they can be checked for log book requirements etc, hence the different type of plate. We have the H plate, the SR plate and soon the M plate, to identify modified vehicles. If they were your own personalised ones, how would anyone know?
Its a shame, but well worth it when you see how well the system works for club members and is all reflected in cheap CPS costs and insurance.
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With regard to this change:
Existing and ongoing requirements to be noted
There are two important existing, ongoing requirements that permit applicants and club safety officers/scrutineers need to be aware of: •Motor vehicles manufactured outside of Australia after 31 December 1968 (30 June 1975 in the case of motorcycles) which do not have a previous Australian registration history, must have a VASS approval certificate to demonstrate that the vehicle meets the Australian Design Rules that applied at the time the vehicle was manufactured.
•Club permit vehicles must comply with the Vehicle Standards, appropriate to the date the vehicle was manufactured, contained in Schedule 2 of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2009.
Doesn't this also mean that ALL imported vehicles that don't have a previous Australian registration history MUST have a VASS approval certificate, even if they were ALREADY on the Club Permit Scheme BEFORE the changes commencing on 31 January 2015? After all, the VicRoads Club Permit Scheme is not Australian registration, as we know it! It is simply a permit to use the vehicle under certain conditions as applied under the CPS. The statement is a bit ambiguous, to say the least!
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USCAPRI, No... it is not retrospective.
If you have a car that has been listed on the scheme prior to the new changes you are ok. Because it has been recorded. If you have had a car post '68 that has never been registered or on the scheme and it has been sitting around for a few years with nothing ever recorded against it , then this too would have to have a VASS certificate to go onto the new system as well as cars now coming into Australia post '68.
Does that help?
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Macka, yes it does, according to your belief, I'm clear as I was on the scheme from back in 2011. However, I believe that the intention here was to scoop up ALL vehicles that don't have any Australian FULL registration history, which means retrospectively. I think I'll ask the AOMC to clarify this issue with VicRoads!
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Doesn't this also mean that ALL imported vehicles that don't have a previous Australian registration history MUST have a VASS approval certificate, even if they were ALREADY on the Club Permit Scheme BEFORE the changes commencing on 31 January 2015? After all, the VicRoads Club Permit Scheme is not Australian registration, as we know it! It is simply a permit to use the vehicle under certain conditions as applied under the CPS. The statement is a bit ambiguous, to say the least!
The sections you quote are under the heading "Existing and ongoing requirements to be noted", not under the changes that came into force on Jan 31st. The inference here is that the requirement for post 1968 vehicles to have a VASS certificate was already a requirement before Jan 31st.
I'm sure a club official/scrutineer will pop along to elaborate...
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The change 'Existing and ongoing changes to be noted, etc' comes from the VicRoads website page
'Changes to the club permit scheme commencing 31 January 2015' under the sub-heading:
New requirements commencing 31 January 2015:
see:
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/limited-use-permits/club-permit-scheme/changes-to-the-club-permit-scheme-from-31-january-2015 (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/limited-use-permits/club-permit-scheme/changes-to-the-club-permit-scheme-from-31-january-2015)
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USCAPRI, I am one of our club's delegates for the AOMC and Rod AMOS had stated that these changes were not retrospective.
As for the changes, the clubs that were putting cars onto the scheme even without Roadworthy Certificates (not ours) were not required to now obtain a RWC because they were already on the system.
What will be picked up on now are cars that are modified outside of VSI33 and are intercepted by the police and need to go onto M plates or those cars changing hands that RWC's will also be required.
All the changes were advertised on our clubs website including your reference in January this year and club members were all notified.
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We now have more information from the A.O.M.C. regarding the Club Permit Scheme. See M.O.C.A. website http://vic.mustang.org.au/more/club-permit-scheme.html (http://vic.mustang.org.au/more/club-permit-scheme.html) for more info.
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USCAPRI, As you can see its been 2.5 years and the changes weren't retrospective.
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Members, as a bit of an update it's been good to see that log books are generally being filled out correctly when being used. There are still a few who think that the "Particulars of Use" entry is there for the word "Cruz". This is incorrect. This is the area that you include the location of where you intend to go for the days usage, such as Gembrook or Hanging Rock. If you don't make it there or do and then go somewhere else for the day then that doesn't matter.
The whole line must be completed before you drive including the whole date and not just the month. It should be able to be read and written in ink.
If you are pulled over and this is not completed correctly then I have it from a reliable source that you may receive a ticket and the cost would be more than if the car was to be fully registered.
If you think now with the introduction of M plates for vehicles that are modified, that includes certain engine upgrades/transmission changes/ drive line changes/ brake changes/ steering or suspension changes (including Left hand drive to Right hand drive) then you should be reading VSI 33 or speaking to one of our Club Permit Officers. Any of these mods now require that your H or CH plated vehicle be changed to an M plate and possibly require a VASS certificate even if your car was issued with plates under the older scheme, it is now retrospective.
Your insurance may also be affected if not completed.
Be warned.
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Can someone verify that has recently gone from H plate to M plate, after receiving VASS report and all relevamt paperwork, does the vehicle need to go to vicroads for an inspection?
I was getting a car registered today at Vicroads and asked the staff member that did my inspection, she said all i needed was the vass report and signature from the club, no inspection. She didnt seem confident in her response hence my question.
Cheers.
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I was getting a car registered today at Vicroads and asked the staff member that did my inspection, she said all i needed was the vass report and signature from the club, no inspection. She didnt seem confident in her response
You can't trust what the VicRoads people tell you - I had one swear to me that my 1969 build Mach 1 didn't need a VASS certificate! My advice: prepare for the worst case scenario and then you're covered no matter what they say on the day.
That said, I suspect that provided the engineer has signed off it wouldn't matter to VicRoads if it's going on a H plate or an M plate.
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My understanding is that cars that pre date our ADRs that were introduced in 1972 don't need an engineers certificate (my 68 Mustang didn't, my 88 Corvette did, though both needed RWCs.)
When I queried why I was being issued an M plate and not a H plate because my Corvette is completely stock and original, the woman at Vicroads said that it didn't matter as they were both the same.
Mind you, the next person asked at Vicroads will probably give you the complete opposite answers.
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My understanding is that cars that pre date our ADRs that were introduced in 1972 don't need an engineers certificate
This is mostly correct but you have the date wrong. The first edition ADRs came into effect 1st January 1969 so any car built after that date must comply with whatever ADRs were applicable at that time.
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Zlat, if you are a MOCA member, you can always ring me and get advice. The car only needs to be produced with a VASS, RWC and application forms. The club scrutineer inspects and takes photos. That is your inspection. You then take the paperwork which had been signed off by the scrutineer to VicRoads. It is designed to save time and your money through the club.
Can someone verify that has recently gone from H plate to M plate, after receiving VASS report and all relevamt paperwork, does the vehicle need to go to vicroads for an inspection?
I was getting a car registered today at Vicroads and asked the staff member that did my inspection, she said all i needed was the vass report and signature from the club, no inspection. She didnt seem confident in her response hence my question.
Cheers.
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Thanks for the response Macka, that makes sense.
Yes been a member for last 7 years.
Ill post up some build pics in the next couple weeks.
Barra 66 mustang.
Zlat, if you are a MOCA member, you can always ring me and get advice. The car only needs to be produced with a VASS, RWC and application forms. The club scrutineer inspects and takes photos. That is your inspection. You then take the paperwork which had been signed off by the scrutineer to VicRoads. It is designed to save time and your money through the club.
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We never saw your pics?