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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2016, 09:55:26 am »
Yep -  LS1 is a 205 cc intake head
         LS3 is a 256cc intake head (casting 2716/5364/823)
         LS7 is a 270cc intake head (casting 8452).


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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2016, 09:58:00 am »
Best heads for a 347 ,500 HP  are ............

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2016, 09:58:12 am »
This poor guy isn't gonna believe a thing we tell him if we keep this up.  :lmao:

I agree..


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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2016, 09:59:11 am »
O know we're not talking LS7 I hope  :thud:  just throw a LSA into it and be done with it .

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2016, 09:59:14 am »
This poor guy isn't gonna believe a thing we tell him if we keep this up.  :lmao:

Look at the first few replies of the thread then ignore the rest (as usual for here).

BTW: It is Legends Football League (The first L did have other titles once) - a man cannot live on cars alone.



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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2016, 09:59:48 am »
Yep -  LS1 is a 205 cc intake head
         LS3 is a 256cc intake head (casting 2716/5364/823)
         LS7 is a 270cc intake head (casting 8452).

These are all on 350 cubes?

As you can see by the flow, the afr 195's stomp the LS1 205's and will have more velocity.



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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2016, 10:02:37 am »
Barnett LS3 or LS7 or LSA engine ,get with it man . LS1 is a baby  :grin:

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2016, 10:02:47 am »
Look at the first few replies of the thread then ignore the rest (as usual for here).

Why...it just starts getting good after the first few?

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2016, 10:04:55 am »
I agree..



Yum, that looks might tasty but I hear ya can choke pretty bad on one if you try to swallow it whole.

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2016, 10:05:49 am »
We'll see you clowns later I'm going to the auctions to see how much that new mustang goes for .

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2016, 10:06:44 am »
Barnett LS3 or LS7 or LSA engine ,get with it man . LS1 is a baby  :grin:

I thought LSA stood for the Lesbian Society of America.

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2016, 10:08:58 am »
We'll see you clowns later I'm going to the auctions to see how much that new mustang goes for .

Let us know . We might have 15 pages of info that is totally useless to the op by the time you get back.

 

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2016, 10:13:51 am »
Barnett check up on your latest supercharged Camaro LT1 with the super charged LSA engine with over 550 HP stock . We have them in our Commodores which are lighter . I think ours are 590 HP or 440 kW or 575 HP and 430 kW
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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2016, 10:20:19 am »
These are all on 350 cubes?

As you can see by the flow, the afr 195's stomp the LS1 205's and will have more velocity.

You dare to bring this back on topic............. :ouch:

OK - Yes the AFR195 has greater flow than the LS1 head. I do like them very much. Now I selected the 205 (same cost same flow though bigger ports) for this mental exercise because of the velocity. Yes it is good to have velocity in the ports and yes it is the excuse most often used to not use a bigger head. The one thing people do not say is ..... it has to much velocity hence will have sonic choke. You want to have velocity between 270 and 300 fps at peek HP. Anything over 300fps is going to be to fast.

So 347 at 7000 rpm (500+ hp) if it used the AFR195 head the port speed will be 354 fps. Way to fast.
The 205 is not really big enough either though cost starts to play a point in the decision process.

 
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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2016, 10:36:10 am »
You dare to bring this back on topic............. :ouch:

OK - Yes the AFR195 has greater flow than the LS1 head. I do like them very much. Now I selected the 205 (same cost same flow though bigger ports) for this mental exercise because of the velocity. Yes it is good to have velocity in the ports and yes it is the excuse most often used to not use a bigger head. The one thing people do not say is ..... it has to much velocity hence will have sonic choke. You want to have velocity between 270 and 300 fps at peek HP. Anything over 300fps is going to be to fast.

So 347 at 7000 rpm (500+ hp) if it used the AFR195 head the port speed will be 354 fps. Way to fast.
The 205 is not really big enough either though cost starts to play a point in the decision process.

i was figuring around a 6300 rpm engine for the guy guessing that his 500 hp number was not cast in stone and was instead more something he heard was good.

as far as choke in the ports goes, joe shermam made 530 hp at 7000 rpm with very mildly ported 185 afr heads on a 347 and they will choke sooner than the 195's but its hard to know exactly what he did to them unless i call him.

numerous people made over 500 with the 195's on a 408, and fitzy made over 500 on his 363 with the pro port 195's and a 232 @ .050 solid cam . the cam i had him get makes even more and has more power everywhere according to his butt dyno.

if the op used the afr 195's and the same cam i had fitzy get, it will still have decent bottom end if he puts at least 3.73 gears in it . if he wants to street race, he could use 3.91 in a 9" and it would haul friggen ass, so imo, who cares about hp numbers if the car is scary anyway.

if he wanted big power and lots of top end i would certainly use the 205's and maybe thats what he wants . i just know from dealing with the public on a nearly daily basis, that what they say they want is more often than not WAY more than what they really want.

i cant even count the times i have had someone tell me they wanted a 500 hp engine for example so i take them for a ride in a car that has only 450 hp and they say it is too fast, lol.
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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2016, 10:39:12 am »
fitzy made over 500 on his 363 with the pro port 195's.

Because i had a pro engine builder  :thumb:

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2016, 10:39:55 am »
Because i had a pro engine builder  :thumb:

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2016, 11:04:41 am »
To achieve 500 horsepower you will need a head that flows at least 240cfm @28" Hg.

Port volume is more related to the capacity of the engine. The aim is to have air speed of 300 ft/sec through the port to fill the cylinder. At 347 cubes the AFR heads with 180 or 190 port volumes will do the job as will an Edelbrock Victor junior.

A cam with at least .600 inch lift will be necessary and you will have to rev the engine to at least 7000 rpm to achieve 500 hp.

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Re: Best heads for 347 500hp+ applications
« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2016, 03:13:35 pm »
The advantage of 195 over a 185 AFR is the raised exhaust port which give s greater Ex flow, they also continue to flow up to 650 thou lift where a 185 tops out at about 600. Flow figures at 650 are 315 inlet and 235 exhaust. The 195's have faster ports then the 205 so flow more down low, and are pretty much the same to 650 thou. I reckon the 195 is good choice for a quick street engine around this capacity. The 195 is more expensive then the 185 but the have nicer CNC work and better springs.