260 Windsor Rebuild

[Ford Compact 1963]

Ok so visited engine builder had all my parts layed out.

All acid dipped sand blasted etc etc

It appears this 260 has had some work!

Non stocker cam he said as lumps in lobes and triple timing chain. He said cam has done no work as he measured.

Doing - big ends - valves - rings no Pistons - honing and new oil pump - fuel pump - thermostat

Any opinions ?

[GLENN 70]

Ok he must know what's he is doing .  It must have been in good condition then other than rings and valves .  You should get hardened seats for the heads then while the heads are apart . Crank must be good also but I'm sure he will clean it up too . Should work out a lot cheaper than a total rebuild .

[barnett468]

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Opinions, yes . . since you are clearly not happy with the way that cam ran, have him index it and give us the info so we know what it is so we can tell you if a different cam will be better for your app.

for the bazillionth time, i would pin the rocker studs, especially now that you know it has a cam that is bigger than stock.

once again, i would get the cylinder and piston measurements from him and post them.

i would have him measure the spring rate and length and give us that along with the installed height distance.

the bottom line is that if you rebuild it exactly the way it is, it will run exactly the way it did when you removed it, and since he claims that from what he has seen so far, it has little wear in it, i for one have absolutely no idea why you took it out in the first place, because unfortunately, it sounds like a waste of money to me at this point.

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[Ford Compact 1963]

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Opinions, yes . . since you clearly nit happy with the way that cam ran, have him index it and give us the info so we know what it is so we can tell you if a different cam will be better for your app.

for the bazillionth time, i would pin the rocker studs, especially now that you know it has a cam that is bigger than stock.

once again, i would get the cylinder and piston measurements from him and post them.

i would have him measure the spring rate and length and give us that along with the installed height distance.

the bottom line is that if you rebuild it exactly the way it is, it will run exactly the way it did when you removed it and since he claims that from what he has seen so far, it has little wear in  it so, i for one have absolutely no idea why you took it out in the first place because unfortunately, it sounds like a waste of money to me at this point.

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Will try get this info

[Ford Compact 1963]

More info today. Engine ready tomorrow. Valves have been refaced and more air flow added to increase performance. Additive still to be used was recommended.

[GLENN 70]

You should have done the heads for unleaded  ,not  relied on additive .

[Ford Compact 1963]

You should have done the heads for unleaded  ,not  relied on additive .

Thought so too but builder said not required use additive lead

[barnett468]

Thought so too but builder said not required use additive lead

well that makes no sense does it? . . if its not required then why does he say you need additive? . . there's a rather big hole in his theory since he's obviously contradicting himself . . no, its not "required" IF you use a band aid like an additive to compensate for not having them.

keep in mind that this band aid additive will now also be going thru the entire top end of your newly rebuilt engine, PLUS the stuff isnt cheap and in the long run, it would probably have worked out cheaper to install the seats in the first place unless he wanted something like $300.00 aud or more to do it.

yes, hardened seats would last 200,000 miles and the seats in your heads will not even with additive . . it used to be that you could grind the orig seats in the heads and still get 120,000 miles out of them running unleaded . . i know this because my friend did it but one of the problems with doing this in the us that due to environmental regulations, we now have gas that has a ton of cleaners in it and this leaves the valves and sears so clean that they microweld themselves to each other which decreases their life . . i have no idea about the gas in oz . . that being said, it is likely that you could reduce this microwelding by dumping a few ounces ot tranny fluid in the gas tank every time you fill it up.

[dyates]

I have been following this thread from day dot.To date it goes from bad to worse,get the heads done to run unleaded.Given the specs you have put up 91 would be fine it,s not going to be a street brawler.

By the way the engine guy sounds a bit dodgy,but then again we don't know what you budgeted for and asked for.

Should have bought a crate motor

[GLENN 70]

I don't bother with any additives ,it just  soots up the plugs on short runs .

[moe]

Thought so too but builder said not required use additive lead

Just remember that you are the customer.  Is he giving you a good deal?

[barnett468]

Ok so visited engine builder had all my parts layed out.

new oil pump - fuel pump - thermostat

Any opinions ?

yes:

carter fuel pump.

180 - 185 thermostat.

joe gibbs break in oil or similar for break in.
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[Ford Compact 1963]

Just remember that you are the customer.  Is he giving you a good deal?

Moe I wasnt after a good deal I was after a good job and knowledge, his workshop is clean and had modified windsors and Chevy engines being built

[Ford Compact 1963]

I have been following this thread from day dot.To date it goes from bad to worse,get the heads done to run unleaded.Given the specs you have put up 91 would be fine it,s not going to be a street brawler.

By the way the engine guy sounds a bit dodgy,but then again we don't know what you budgeted for and asked for.

Should have bought a crate motor

Really ?

[shaunp]

You should have put hard seats in it, its like $25 per cylinder.

[Ford Compact 1963]

You should have put hard seats in it, its like $25 per cylinder.

I know but under his guidance as he is the builder and I'm trusting him not that I don't trust your advice Shaun!

He said it's not needed he Refaced and new lifters etc

[68Coupe]

If you're getting an engine rebuild done I'm not sure of a reason why you wouldn't be putting hardened seats in while your doing it?   I'd insist on it.

[Ford Compact 1963]

If you're getting an engine rebuild done I'm not sure of a reason why you wouldn't be putting hardened seats in while your doing it?   I'd insist on it.

I know I'm was hoping he would do it but said run 98 octane and additive and it will run forever ...

[68Coupe]

I know I'm was hoping he would do it but said run 98 octane and additive and it will run forever ...

Aren't you the one that's paying him to do the rebuild? If you want it done, tell him that's what you want. Why do you want to be stuffing around with additive?

[Ford Compact 1963]

Aren't you the one that's paying him to do the rebuild? If you want it done, tell him that's what you want! Why do you want to be stuffing around with additive?

I did talk to him about it but felt my knowledge wasn't up to scratch

[GLENN 70]

If it was my engine I would have done it ( hardened seats ) . Anyway to late now and if the valves are good etc it will be fine as long as its not a Dailey driver . I wouldn't bother will additive unless you drive on a real long trip , 200 Klms  plus at one time then I would put some in . Why did he say 98 fuel surely 95 will be ok unless it has high compression ,ask him what the compression ratio is . It will be fine and good luck with the rest of your venture  .

[shaunp]

Additive is shit really, it fowls the plugs around town makes them idle rough, waste of time, I wont use it,anymore day to day and I tried it in many cars, Only time I put it in a car is for a high speed running. I dont see the point of not spending the money on hard seats, if you rebuilding it, I really don't, its just something less to worry about. I'm not sure why he dosn't want to do it.
It adds about $200 to the price of the job, its just silly.

[griff]

I did talk to him about it but felt my knowledge wasn't up to scratch

Compact while i do feel sorry for your lack of knowledge, which will come with time, youve really got to grow some balls mate.
once your engine is done you wont be his customer again nor on his Christmas card list. youre the one spending the money so act accordingly with all of the overwhelming advice.
i'll say it again, grow some balls son.   

[Ford Compact 1963]

Compact while i do feel sorry for your lack of knowledge, which will come with time, youve really got to grow some balls mate.
once your engine is done you wont be his customer again nor on his Christmas card list. youre the one spending the money so act accordingly with all of the overwhelming advice.
i'll say it again, grow some balls son.   

I got balls trust me in what I know. I hear you griff I do I'm just hoping his advice and build is what it's supposed to be. I'm hoping to post up specs tomorrow and picture of completed build... I don't want engine out again 

[birdman]

If it was my engine I would have done it ( hardened seats ) . Anyway to late now and if the valves are good etc it will be fine as long as its not a Dailey driver . I wouldn't bother will additive unless you drive on a real long trip , 200 Klms  plus at one time then I would put some in . Why did he say 98 fuel surely 95 will be ok unless it has high compression ,ask him what the compression ratio is . It will be fine and good luck with the rest of your venture  .

     with Glenn
While I'm at it is he fitting a one piece rear main seal or two piece? If he (the builder) doesn't know how to fit the 2 piece seal properly it WILL leak.