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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #125 on: August 04, 2014, 09:32:11 pm »
I have a question, when you guys say stamp duty, are you by any chanc referring to if...

I buy a shtang for lets say $60k....

that when I  or if I club rego it, I don't pay stamp duty on the 60K ?



if so, what happened if I wanna change from club rego to full rego one day?

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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #126 on: August 04, 2014, 09:39:12 pm »
I have a question, when you guys say stamp duty, are you by any chanc referring to if...

I buy a shtang for lets say $60k....

that when I  or if I club rego it, I don't pay stamp duty on the 60K ?



if so, what happened if I wanna change from club rego to full rego one day?

That is correct; You will not pay stamp duty on that 60k for club rego.
You would have to pay it the day you went from the CPS to full rego, as part of the usual fees.. Until then, no extra tax!

#1 reason I went with club rego over full rego, even though I know I would get my money's worth, and believe me, I would make sure that I did, as a uni student I could not afford the extra $1.5-2k stamp duty, on top of the actual rego fees, which would have been around $500.

All up I probably saved around $1800, the insurance would have been cheaper than it was as well, but I had the car repainted and re-valued, so it stayed the same.


I worked out how much I have spent on fuel (only roughly) since obtaining my permit last year.. I could probably afford the stamp duty..... If I stopped driving it! :lmao:
« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 09:47:44 pm by JT_1994 »
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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #127 on: August 05, 2014, 05:30:37 pm »
JT, thanks fr that bro, I was always under the assumption when people said no stamp duty , it was just on the annual rego..


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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #128 on: August 05, 2014, 05:47:47 pm »
LittleJOhn, no as JT has said there is no stamp duty because it is a permit, not registration. 

Have a read of the information sheet on the Vic MOCA website.  http://vic.mustang.org.au/more/club-permit-scheme.html

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« Reply #129 on: August 08, 2014, 07:25:05 pm »
OK, we have posted on our website a link to what the AOMC knows about the proposed changes to the Victorian Club Permit Scheme.  This is what the AOMC has been told by VicRoads as to what is changing. 

The AOMC has submitted a report to change some necessary areas and VicRoads are still yet to make up their minds.

Here's what we know.   http://www.aomc.asn.au/CPS%20changes%20Seminar%202014.pdf

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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #130 on: January 11, 2015, 08:30:59 pm »

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« Reply #131 on: January 11, 2015, 10:42:57 pm »
Changes to the club permit scheme commencing 31 January 2015

The club permit scheme (CPS) is a log book based permit scheme that allows motoring enthusiasts to enjoy limited road use of historic vehicles which comply with relevant standards.


Based on consultation with vehicle clubs, peak bodies and the Victoria Police, VicRoads is introducing changes to Victoria’s Club Permit Scheme, commencing 31 January 2015 with the objectives of:
•Ensuring the Club Permit Scheme continues to align with road safety objectives
•Introducing clearer and more appropriate vehicle modification guidelines for Club Permit Scheme vehicles
•Improving inspection, modification and identification requirements for modified vehicles
•Ensuring the integrity of the scheme is maintained
•Continuing to make participation in the Club Permit Scheme an enjoyable experience for all users.

New requirements commencing 31 January 2015:
•When signing new club permit applications, club safety officers/scrutineers will be required to complete a Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration form declaring that the vehicle is eligible, safe for use on the road and that it meets the applicable requirements for the category of vehicle for which the club permit is sought.
•Initial club permit applications (not renewals) for vehicles manufactured after 31 December 1948 will need to be accompanied by a current certificate of roadworthiness.
•For pre-1949 vehicles, clubs will continue to conduct their own safety inspection (which may be a certificate of roadworthiness or a club safety inspection based on VicRoads’ guidelines).
•New modification guidelines specified in the Guidelines for modifications to vehicles operated under Victoria’s Club Permit – Vehicle Standards Information No. 33 (VSI33) [PDF 296 kb] apply.
•If an initial club permit application is submitted for a vehicle that is modified outside of the appropriate modification guidelines, a Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme (VASS) approval certificate covering the modifications must be provided with the permit application.
•An “M” club permit plate will be issued to identify modified vehicles where a VASS certificate has been provided.
•Clubs are required to maintain dated photographs of vehicles entering the club permit scheme in accordance with the new Club Permit Agreement.

Existing and ongoing requirements to be noted
There are two important existing, ongoing requirements that permit applicants and club safety officers/scrutineers need to be aware of:  •Motor vehicles manufactured outside of Australia after 31 December 1968 (30 June 1975 in the case of motorcycles) which do not have a previous Australian registration history, must have a VASS approval certificate to demonstrate that the vehicle meets the Australian Design Rules that applied at the time the vehicle was manufactured.
•Club permit vehicles must comply with the Vehicle Standards, appropriate to the date the vehicle was manufactured, contained in Schedule 2 of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2009.

All vehicle standards and modification guidelines are available through VicRoads’ website at Vehicle standards information.



New club permit agreement
In support of these changes, a new Club Permit Agreement has been developed. The new Agreement, which supersedes current club Agreements, must be signed and returned to VicRoads by 30 March 2015.

 In addition clubs are to provide VicRoads with a current list of office bearers and safety officers/scrutineers together with sample signatures and driver licence numbers. This information is to be included on the Approved Club Office Bearers and Scrutineers form accompanying the Agreement, and must be completed whenever office bearers and scrutineers change within a club.
The agreement and form must be provided to VicRoads by 30 March 2015. VicRoads will revoke the approval of clubs for the purposes of the club permit scheme if the new Agreement and form is not signed and returned to VicRoads by this date.

 The new club permit agreement has been sent to all VicRoads clubs and approved associations and will be available on the VicRoads website on 13 January 2015.

Revised Club Permit Application form
VicRoads has revised the Club Permit Application form to be signed by the club authorised office bearer certifying that the applicant is a current financial member of the club to reflect the new requirements. 
All permit applications submitted on or after 31 January 2015 must use the revised application form.

The new permit application will be on the VicRoads website by 19 January 2015.

Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration form
Commencing 31 January 2015, the revised Club Permit Application form must also be accompanied by a Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form declaring that the vehicle is eligible, safe for use on the road and meets the requirements of the scheme. This form must be signed by a nominated safety officer/scrutineer.

 Club permit applications will not be accepted unless a completed Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form is provided.



You may view a sample of the Vehicle eligibility and Standards declaration form [PDF 553 kb].




Download the Vehicle eligibility and Standards declaration [PDF 74kb] to find out more information on the vehicle eligibility and standards.




The Vehicle eligibility and Standards declaration form will be available on the VicRoads website by 19 January 2015.

Vehicle safety inspection checklist

To assist clubs with inspecting vehicles and determining whether they are safe for use on the road, VicRoads has developed a Guideline Vehicle Safety Inspection Checklist. Please note that this checklist is for guidance only and should be used at the club’s discretion; it does not replace the requirement for the Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form or any requirement for a Certificate of Roadworthiness.

The Vehicle safety inspection checklist will be available on the VicRoads website by 19 January 2015.



Existing club permit vehicles that may not meet vehicle standards
While VicRoads will not actively identify existing modified vehicles for re-certification, periodically vehicles are reported to VicRoads as unroadworthy and/or inappropriately modified and VicRoads is required take action when this occurs. In such instances, VicRoads will write to the permit holder advising them to request that their club re-assess the vehicle in accordance with the new requirements.

 Clubs may also choose to re-certify existing modified vehicles and seek that the vehicle be issued an “M” modified club permit plate.

Club permit renewals after permit expiry
To bring club permit renewals into line with registration renewals, from 31 January 2015, permit renewal applications received by VicRoads more than three months (90 days) after the expiry of the previous club permit will not be accepted and a new permit application will need to be produced.

Information about inspection of club permit vehicles for Licensed Vehicle Testers (LVTs) and Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme (VASS) signatories
VicRoads has written to LVTs and VASS signatories providing advice about inspection arrangements appropriate for older vehicles.

Help with the new requirements
The club permit scheme is an important component of the vehicle registration system and input from clubs and representatives of the club permit movement into potential enhancements to the scheme will ensure it meets the needs of clubs and road safety imperatives.

 Should you have a query regarding the new requirements, please contact VicRoads through CPSconsult@roads.vic.gov.au.

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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2015, 10:48:42 pm »
This one, no one knew anything about:

•Motor vehicles manufactured outside of Australia after 31 December 1968 (30 June 1975 in the case of motorcycles) which do not have a previous Australian registration history, must have a VASS approval certificate to demonstrate that the vehicle meets the Australian Design Rules that applied at the time the vehicle was manufactured.

So it will mean that cars already here in Australia that have a registration history will be worth more than one that has no history because a VASS certificate will be required no matter what to get it on the CPS.

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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2015, 11:21:53 pm »
Yep that's right Macka.

I only just bought a 66 a few weeks ago so was lucky in that regard, although the car was previously registered here on club reg.

Whats also important to note is this point:

Initial club permit applications (not renewals) for vehicles manufactured after 31 December 1948 will need to be accompanied by a current certificate of roadworthiness.

So in essence it sounds like cars that are already registered under the CPS are not subject to these changes. Am I reading it correctly?
« Last Edit: January 11, 2015, 11:28:50 pm by Speed Demon »

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« Reply #134 on: January 11, 2015, 11:43:55 pm »
Nah, they just needed a cut off date for vehicles that weren't really covered by the more recent RWC type testing.  A more specialised approach was needed and those clubs of early vehicles can issue safety certificates for those types of vehicles, which makes more sense.  Vehicles 1949 & onwards will all need RWC's for new CPS plates.  Our club has always asked for RWC's anyway which the AOMC loved and recommended to VicRoads which seems now it has been taken on.

Its good because there were too many death traps out there floating around that someone has said they were safe and may have never of been looked at.  Those type of clubs are being looked at now by VicRoads and culled as required.

If your car is on the scheme and not modified beyond VSI8 then you do not need to do anything.  If you are wanting to put it on CPS with our club then it will need a RWC anyway.
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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #135 on: January 13, 2015, 05:53:08 pm »
Why does the Mustang Club Of Vic require a RWC, and not just a scruteneering?
up until January 31 2015, you only need either / or ,for the CPS.

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« Reply #136 on: January 13, 2015, 11:50:59 pm »
LJ, yes that's right.  With all the problems created by clubs signing off on their own cars has created the problem and forced VicRoads to change the system.  Had these clubs, done the right thing then the system wouldn't have needed to be changed.  Lucky for us, the MOCA Vic have always required a RWC to meet legal obligations and signing off on them.  This takes any legal ramifications away from the club for any future legal actions.

This would come into play if the vehicle was for some reason to come under the microscope by the law or the coroner as to why a standard wasn't met or a modification made which was not within the scope of the scheme.  Because of the club's profile we must been seen to meet or exceed the legal requirements and policy in relation to making our cars safe.

A lot of clubs are now being investigated by VicRoads and how they have been issuing CPS to unroadworthy cars, some have lost their power to and been shut down.  The Association of Motoring Clubs have looked at our systems and we have been commended on our approach to the CPS. 

VicRoads must think we are doing it correctly as well, to bring their legislation in line with our club policy.  It is a good system and it should not be abused.
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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #137 on: January 14, 2015, 06:30:20 am »
Ahhh now i get it, thanks Macka

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« Reply #138 on: January 15, 2015, 11:55:49 am »
I'm just bringing this back up so that members get a chance to have a read of the changes listed on the 11th of January post which will come into operation before the end of the month.  VicRoads will also be sending out info to each members address.  What you will need to work out if your vehicle is modified outside of VSI8.  This will include RHD vehicles.  Make sure you have a read of it and understand it.

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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #139 on: January 29, 2015, 09:45:51 pm »
I have a car on the cps, with another club.
im not happy with the other club and do not wish to associate with them.
Do i need to obtain another rwc to change clubs on my cps?
Look at your car. Now back to mine. Now back to yours. Now back to mine. Sadly, yours isn't mine. But if you stopped buying dodgy cars and bought an 67, yours could be like mine. Look down. Back up. Where are you? ...You're on MOCA, reading the signature your signature could be like! Anything is possible when your car looks like my car...................

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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #140 on: January 29, 2015, 10:53:58 pm »
Rob,

Yes , the club has always required a RWC, even when you transfer from another club.  We do have processes in place which make the transfer pretty easy to do.   

Have a read of the info in here on our CPS and the coming changes at the end of this month.   http://vic.mustang.org.au/more/club-permit-scheme.html .  The club is full of experience, social and like minded Mustang lovers.   Send me a PM if you need more info.
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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #141 on: January 29, 2015, 11:18:56 pm »
Hey Macka, do you think that there will ever
Be a time in our lifetime where we can use our Personalised Plates
And have "Club Permit"  on the bottom of em??

Mannnn that would be friggin gold :thumb:

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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #142 on: January 29, 2015, 11:25:07 pm »
NUP.

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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #143 on: January 29, 2015, 11:29:18 pm »
New changes to the CPS will be implemented in a few days so a RWC will be mandatory for a registration of any vehicle on the CPS.

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« Reply #144 on: January 29, 2015, 11:52:25 pm »
LJ, the reason is: 

that the permits are not registration, so other personalised registration plates will never be used.  The Authority, wants both its officers and the police to be able to recognise the CPS vehicles so that they can be checked for log book requirements etc, hence the different type of plate.  We have the H plate, the SR plate and soon the M plate, to identify modified vehicles.  If they were your own personalised ones, how would anyone know?

Its a shame, but well worth it when you see how well the system works for club members and is all reflected in cheap CPS costs and insurance.

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« Reply #145 on: July 09, 2015, 11:22:12 pm »
With regard to this change:

Existing and ongoing requirements to be noted
There are two important existing, ongoing requirements that permit applicants and club safety officers/scrutineers need to be aware of:  •Motor vehicles manufactured outside of Australia after 31 December 1968 (30 June 1975 in the case of motorcycles) which do not have a previous Australian registration history, must have a VASS approval certificate to demonstrate that the vehicle meets the Australian Design Rules that applied at the time the vehicle was manufactured.
•Club permit vehicles must comply with the Vehicle Standards, appropriate to the date the vehicle was manufactured, contained in Schedule 2 of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2009.

Doesn't this also mean that ALL imported vehicles that don't have a previous Australian registration history MUST have a VASS approval certificate, even if they were ALREADY on the Club Permit Scheme BEFORE the changes commencing on 31 January 2015? After all, the VicRoads Club Permit Scheme is not Australian registration, as we know it! It is simply a permit to use the vehicle under certain conditions as applied under the CPS. The statement is a bit ambiguous, to say the least!
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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #146 on: July 09, 2015, 11:41:53 pm »
USCAPRI, No...  it is not retrospective. 

If you have a car that has been listed on the scheme prior to the new changes you are ok.  Because it has been recorded.  If you have had a car post '68 that has never been registered or on the scheme and it has been sitting around for a few years with nothing ever recorded against it , then this too would have to have a VASS certificate to go onto the new system as well as cars now coming into Australia post '68.

Does that help?

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« Reply #147 on: July 09, 2015, 11:48:25 pm »
Macka, yes it does, according to your belief, I'm clear as I was on the scheme from back in 2011. However, I believe that the intention here was to scoop up ALL vehicles that don't have any Australian FULL registration history, which means retrospectively. I think I'll ask the AOMC to clarify this issue with VicRoads!
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Re: Club Permit
« Reply #148 on: July 09, 2015, 11:52:11 pm »
Doesn't this also mean that ALL imported vehicles that don't have a previous Australian registration history MUST have a VASS approval certificate, even if they were ALREADY on the Club Permit Scheme BEFORE the changes commencing on 31 January 2015? After all, the VicRoads Club Permit Scheme is not Australian registration, as we know it! It is simply a permit to use the vehicle under certain conditions as applied under the CPS. The statement is a bit ambiguous, to say the least!

The sections you quote are under the heading "Existing and ongoing requirements to be noted", not under the changes that came into force on Jan 31st.  The inference here is that the requirement for post 1968 vehicles to have a VASS certificate was already a requirement before Jan 31st.

I'm sure a club official/scrutineer will pop along to elaborate...
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« Reply #149 on: July 10, 2015, 12:00:59 am »
The change 'Existing and ongoing changes to be noted, etc' comes from the VicRoads website page

'Changes to the club permit scheme commencing 31 January 2015' under the sub-heading:

New requirements commencing 31 January 2015:

see:

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/limited-use-permits/club-permit-scheme/changes-to-the-club-permit-scheme-from-31-january-2015
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