Author Topic: Bigger the better (Read 29282 times)

shelby_mustro · « **on:** February 02, 2007, 10:44:39 pm »

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I am looking at putting a 289 Windsor into my 6cyl mustang but still can’t decide what I would better off with. I was hoping someone could give me a bit of info on weather I would be better of keeping my mustang an original 6cyl or changing it to an 8cyl?
Would any one know if an original 6cyl mustang will be worth more as an 8cyl or would i be better off leaving it as original 6 cylinder? I haven’t seen to many 6 Cyl around and thought it might be worth something some day if leave it as original 6, as their does seam to be more 289s around than the old 200ci 6cyl.
Would any one have any thoughts on this?
Thanks Ryan :(

nassi · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2007, 11:07:39 pm »

No comment on the value of either, but if you were to convert then keep the original parts for a later refit if required.
What is your preference?, as this should be the deciding factor.
nassi

mach70 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2007, 11:08:37 pm »

Hi Ryan,

There are significant differences between the 6 & 8cyl stangs. To swap from a 6 to 8 there are many things that you need to change as well, its not just pull out the 6 and slot in the 8.
Things to look at and maybe swap are front suspension, gearbox, diff, brakes etc.

I dont want to put you off but it is a major deal.

I suggest you get some professional advice from a mustang specialist or someone in the know at your local club who can guide you along the way.

Cheers

Shawn

BLKPNY · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2007, 12:03:02 am »

If it were mine, I would see about fitting a XF alloy head crossflow from the wreckers, and putting a turbo and stock BA intercooler or 2 on it.
The kits are reasonably priced, and will make more power, and turn more heads than almost any 289/302, at probably less money. That way it is different to nearly any other Mustang out there.

Either setting up a Holley for Blow thru, or putting it in a box, or fitting LPG to it and going straight gas would be your fuel options.
Around $6k would see it done, I think, if you could do the fitting yourself.

evan · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2007, 12:04:35 am »

Hi Ryan.

IMO there are more V8's because that's what most people want. There are plenty of converted cars around but I've never heard of anybody swapping a V8 for a six.
If the conversion is affordable & a V8 is truly your preference, go for it. Who knows, you may even increase the car's value. You'll certainly get alot more enjoyment out of it. "Your" car, "your" right. If "you" prefer it modified, chances are, others will too.

Just my 2 cents.

Evan.

mach70 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2007, 12:26:30 am »

Hey Ryan,

Sorry if I came across negative...dont mean to be...just sharing some of my limited knowledge.

Dont let anyone talk you out of what you want.

A turbo 6 muzzy...hmmmm BLKPNY maybe on to something here...would certainly scare the bejesus out of the Milk or Juice brigade.

You have one up on me...yours runs... 6 or 8 it runs and others can admire it when you drive it...mine dwells in the shed striped naked...the only way to move it is to push it...:-

Cheers

Shawn

BLKPNY · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2007, 12:32:16 am »

I think it would be great, especially for the younger people (oh o, I'm sounding OLD!! And I'm not even thirty!!).

Nice and cheap, when it gets too smokey, off to the wreckers for another $200 long motor. 3 hours work and $50 in gaskets and you are set for some more shredding rubber:+

Myself and CVE Performance are building a budget XF turbo at the moment, they definately get up and boogey with a turbo strapped to their side!!

www.cveperformance.com

shaunp · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2007, 07:37:07 am »

If I was going to build a 6 Cly I'd go and buy something newer than XF. You can buy an entire EA-EB falcon for about $1500. Swap the lot 4 speed auto injected overhaed cam engine, probably go as good as 2v 289 just won't sound the same.
I can get you an Australian 250 2V 6 from an XY. Low mile since full reco, big valves etc, I think it dynos the nearly the same as a stock 302. So if you want some extra power that just bolts in and looks stock here is your answer.

Macka · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2007, 11:27:15 am »

There is a reason you don't see too many 6 cyl's around. But if its what rocks your boat, stick with it.

BLKPNY · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2007, 11:28:47 am »

Yeah, stretch the budget a little, but steer clear of the 3.9, go straight to the 4.0, as it has a better block.
Or go all out, and use a BA long motor, and really make some power.

Dunno about bonnet clearance with the later motors.....

BLKPNY · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2007, 11:30:58 am »

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Originally posted by Mac1
There is a reason you don't see too many 6 cyl's around. But if its what rocks your boat, stick with it.

Ryan is a young bloke, with a 6 cylinder Mustang as his first car. Sure as shit is better than my XC 5.8 GXL first car! Even if it is 6 cyl!

How much money do you have to blow on this engine deal?

HEVEN67 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2007, 06:33:59 pm »

Hi Ryan
Its simple:f
::GO put the biggest most POWERFULL V8 ;_with all the weapons the authorities and your handbrake will let let you, and have fun!:+

evan · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2007, 06:52:58 pm »

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Originally posted by HEVEN67
Hi Ryan
Its simple:f
::GO put the biggest most POWERFULL V8 ;_with all the weapons the authorities and your handbrake will let let you, and have fun!:+

Who can argue with good sensible advice like that?
Do it......do it!;_

Brett_T · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2007, 08:55:25 pm »

I would have to agree with Heven67... More Power!!!!:i

shelby_mustro · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2007, 11:27:15 pm »

Hi ya BLKPNY
I don’t really plan to spend to much money on the hole engine deal, as a friend offered to give me a 289 mustang engine that has been laying around in his garage for sometime. The only problem with it is the 289 is motor is going to need a full rebuild. I just thought it might be helpful to get other peoples views on what engine would be better to point me in the right direction to spend the money on, as my 6cyl motor is getting close to needing a rebuild as well.
Thanks Ryan :(

BLKPNY · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2007, 12:48:24 am »

It will be cheaper to buy a wrecker crossflow 6, and fit it and a turbo, than it will be to rebuild your 289, and get the stuff needed to fit it.
Not to mention how you will have more power than most 289's. In fact, it would take a real serious 289 to make more power, not to mention how unique it will be to hear a BOV in a early girl Mussy.

shaunp · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2007, 08:25:52 am »

What about that 250 2V from my mates XY he is wrecking. I think it's done about 30k sine full rebuild, ie rebore, crank grind etc. Head is factory 2V with bigger valves an porting, original ford 2v removeable manifold, 350 Holley. Just bolt it in and you'll be on the road the next day,you will buy it cheap too. This way the car will look almost stock but go way better. Best bang for your buck I reckon.

shelby_mustro · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2007, 02:53:12 pm »

Hi Shaunp
Sounds convincing ;) Would it be possible to get some photos of it and would you know how much he would want for the motor?
Thanks Ryan

BLKPNY · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2007, 03:55:15 pm »

Cool, then Turbo the XY motor, so you can blow away most of the 289/302's.
But it is a lot easier to turbo a LPG or EFI motor.

HEVEN67 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2007, 05:41:40 pm »

BUT!..........................................IT still wont sound like a V8!
Therfore....................................Its not the same!
Vee eight...Vee eight....V8...V8...V8...V8...V8...V8...V8, cha cha cha!;3

BLKPNY · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2007, 05:49:52 pm »

That's what most people that get their ass handed to them on a plate say.

200rwkw is an easy task from a low boost 250 XF.

shaunp · « **Reply #21 on:** February 04, 2007, 07:24:47 pm »

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Originally posted by shelby_mustro
Hi Shaunp
Sounds convincing ;) Would it be possible to get some photos of it and would you know how much he would want for the motor?
Thanks Ryan

Ryan I saw it last week end it looks good. Rob has had the car since 76. He had the motor fully recoed in the 90s but stoped useing the car in 98, put it under a tarp, was going to do it up. He pulled the tarp a while back and it is totally rusted so he is wrecking it. It dynoed almost the same as a 289/302 when built. I'm going down to get the drag link, brakes and coloumb to covert my 67 to RHD, and another mate is getting the toploader. 250 2v is a rare motor, they have a seperate inlet manifold, so you can run su or weber carbs if you want, this has a 350 holley on it. The 2v head has 308 holden valves and is ported, set of extractors on it to. The engine has about 4 years of driving around the Goldcoast on it. It will be $100s not $1000s

shelby_mustro · « **Reply #22 on:** February 04, 2007, 08:30:06 pm »

shaunp could I use any of these parts of the 250ci to inprove my 200ci motor?
Thanks Ryan

HEVEN67 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 04, 2007, 08:36:28 pm »

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Originally posted by BLKPNY
That's what most people that get their ass handed to them on a plate say.

Whats that mean?:w

ron · « **Reply #24 on:** February 04, 2007, 09:09:42 pm »

Being the only sensible old fart in this forum :pI would have to suggest staying with a 6.If you go the v8 or turbo mods there's is the extra cost of rego,insurance,running costs,mod plating costs blah blah blah.Don't forget the upgrades of the drivetrain,brakes,wheels and diff (if you're running 4 lug and 7 incher).Stick with the 6 and re-build for reliability.Besides if you drive a Mustang,people automaticaly assume it's a v8 anyway.Save some money and if you own your own house disregard the next statement, there's nothing more tragic than "must sell due to buying a house".

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